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« on: October 16, 2002, 03:26 PM »

Friday night I went to see a friend's band. The opener had some fantastic equipment, the drummer especially. A 7-pc high-end drumset with a beautiful flame finish and a rack system. Too bad the guy couldn't play it. He used the same fill over and over again, and rushed through it over and over again. I'll forgive that kind of sloppiness when it's coming from a kid on a $300 4-pc kit, but come on. Don't play out a $7,000 drumset unless you can really play it.

In keeping with the spirit of the evening, he proceeded to tear down his drumset while the headlining band was playing, wrapped the whole thing up in Guitar Center towels, and left during the band's set. Jerk. If I ever have the opportunity to deny this band a gig, I'll do it.
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« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2002, 03:39 PM »

wrapped the whole thing up in Guitar Center towels

Yep, A high end kit deserves better towels.   Grin  I would think someone would have told him its not nice to pack your kit while the headline act is happening.  So much for manners.
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« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2002, 05:49 PM »

I met a drummer a long time ago.......he live in a manson and had everything anyone can ever dream of.  He sucked on the drums.  Of course the set was a double bass, blue sparkle high end set.

He got on the set and got confused on what to hit first.  Got upset, threw the sticks down on the marble floor and went to the indoor pool for a swim!!!

I couldn't believe my eyes!  I was sick just looking at this guy behind a set that needed some attention. Undecided

The same manners applied here too.  The kid was spoiled to the nth degree.

If I were the headliner band I would wait for the other group to get out before note 1 was played.  Or I would get the owner of the joint to pitch them out of the area.

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« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2002, 05:51 AM »

Something that pi**es me off no-end is the lack of manners displayed by BOTH headlining bands and support bands.
 I played a gig a month or so ago at a local college, a band made up of guys who attended the college approached us about the possibillity of supporting us.
We said said fine, and I agreed to let their drummer use my equipment (as I often do). I just tell him to bring his own snare, kick pedal and cymbals. He turns up with just his sticks! I try to be diplomatic about it and say "you might wanna use your own cymbals/pedal,snare....." He just calmly says, "Na! That's OK, I'll use yours". I swallowed that, because they were actually bringing a lot of people to the gig!
So I go out for some air, I come back in and find that this guy has COMPLETELY re-arranged my kit to suit him! The guy is even LEFT-HANDED, which I did'nt know about. Had I known, we could have worked something out. I just happen to think this was the ultimate in ignorance. And to top it off, when they had finished their set, the just ran off to the bar and did'nt even help with putting my kit back the way I wanted it! Oh, and by the way - THEY SUCKED!!!!!
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« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2002, 09:26 AM »

If I were the headliner band I would wait for the other group to get out before note 1 was played.  Or I would get the owner of the joint to pitch them out of the area.

Usually not an option. The manager and the soundguy work out a schedule. You lose favor real quick if you stand on stage, waiting for the previous band to settle down (or leave).
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« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2002, 10:14 AM »

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So I go out for some air, I come back in and find that this guy has COMPLETELY re-arranged my kit to suit him!

Man!  That is simply not cool.  If I'm using someone else's set, I try not to re-arrange at all and if I do, it's minimal and returned to the way it was when I sat down.  I've had drummers do this to me and it really burns me.  Don't they understand that it is a simple act of courtesy?  I also ALWAYS bring my own snare, kick pedal, sticks, and cymbals.  Jeez.
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« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2002, 10:50 AM »

I have to agree Pdangelo! You're ALLOWING them to use YOUR equipment!
GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!
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« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2002, 01:00 AM »

I am shorter than most drummers and struggle on most other kits so avoid them and provide my own unless there is no option such as a show when doing a spot. Besides i don't play as well on others gear as i play softer in fear of damaging and having to pay for something. You never know what is going to break when on others gear and you don't want to increase the chance. Unfortunately some drummers have no respect or concience with others precious property.
You get to know the local ones you can trust.
The ability to be versatile and compromising saves my day. No way will i adjust anyone's or let someone else adjust my kit! The most i may do is move a stand closer so i can reach a cymbal but not adjust angle height etc. If something is crap or sounds out it's not my problem unless it's my own kit.
If a quick exit from stage is required i pre arrange and enlist the help of my "band" members to help pick up the drums as set up and carry to off stage so i can pack them down as the next band preps for their gig. Takes seconds to do this. Stages do have two sides so it's not too difficult to co ordinate. Off to the left, on to the right.
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« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2002, 07:24 AM »

I'll forgive that kind of sloppiness when it's coming from a kid on a $300 4-pc kit, but come on. Don't play out a $7,000 drumset unless you can really play it.

No qualms with a guy that gets the best equipment he can afford, no matter what level he's playing at.  Whatever his budget is, that's his business !  It is obvious, however, he has a few things to learn about the etiquette of being a Drummer.
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« Reply #9 on: October 24, 2002, 01:01 PM »

Well, I don't know all the facts but, it seems to me that there should have been a reasonable amount of time for the previous band to clear their equipment from the stage.  If it were my (expensive) kit, and my gig is done, and I had not agreed in advance to let the next act use it, and I don't otherwise want to hang out an listen to the following act, I'm going to break it down when I'm finished with it.  I'm certainly not going to wait for the following act to finish to get my kit and leave.  If the manager and the soundguy didn't work this out in advance, then the fault lies squarely with them.

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« Reply #10 on: October 25, 2002, 10:00 AM »

Well, I don't know all the facts but, it seems to me that there should have been a reasonable amount of time for the previous band to clear their equipment from the stage.  If it were my (expensive) kit, and my gig is done, and I had not agreed in advance to let the next act use it, and I don't otherwise want to hang out an listen to the following act, I'm going to break it down when I'm finished with it.  I'm certainly not going to wait for the following act to finish to get my kit and leave.  If the manager and the soundguy didn't work this out in advance, then the fault lies squarely with them.

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Oh, totally. My band played that venue last night. They (soundguy, manager) totally rush you, but they encourage you to stash your gear behind the stage and then load out the back door. This guy tore down his drumset in the bar. Like, between where I was sitting and the jukebox, there he was, tearing down his drumset.
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« Reply #11 on: October 25, 2002, 10:05 AM »

My band played that venue last night. They (soundguy, manager) totally rush you, but they encourage you to stash your gear behind the stage and then load out the back door. This guy tore down his drumset in the bar. Like, between where I was sitting and the jukebox, there he was, tearing down his drumset.

I've been forced to tear down my stuff outside in the parking lot at some clubs. The second you're done, they want you not only off the stage, but out of the building.

As a rule, clubowners are one of the lowest life forms I've ever encountered. Angry
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« Reply #12 on: October 25, 2002, 02:10 PM »

eugene chadbourne wrote a great book titled "i hate the guy that runs this bar" ... its a guide to the gigging life ... but told in stories.  good stuff.  and he knows Smiley
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« Reply #13 on: October 27, 2002, 08:18 PM »

Everyone MUST read Eugene Chadbourne's book.  It's hilarious.  Also, "The Lennigrad Cowboys" is compulsary viewing.
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« Reply #14 on: October 28, 2002, 01:23 AM »

Just have your drum tech do it.  Then he looks rude! Grin
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« Reply #15 on: October 28, 2002, 04:23 PM »

Just have your drum tech do it.  Then he looks rude! Grin

I'll have to remind him to pack it right out to my limo.  Wink
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« Reply #16 on: December 15, 2002, 01:09 PM »

I just think its wrong to see crappy drummers playing great kits...like someone just starting out getting an all maple kit....at least wait a couple years.
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« Reply #17 on: December 16, 2002, 12:44 AM »

If they can afford the high-end kit to learn on, more power to 'em.  It helps to have good gear to learn on, but on the other side, it can be a learning experience getting a low-end kit to do what you want.  If the person's been playing for years, and they still exhibit a lack of the basics, they don't deserve the high-end kit they have,(if they have one).  I've found that, and I speak from a musical standpoint of drums and guitar, if you have good gear to begin with, it really makes it alot easier to learn on.  For you guitarists, does it make it easier to learn fast upper neck riffs with a high action, or a good medium to low action?   For the drummers, are the nuances of tuning best learned on a low end kit with crappy bearing edges, a poorly wrapped finish, and a low quality wood?  Or a medium/high-end kit that offers better edges, a better, less restrictive finish, and a higher quality wood thats put together better?  Or how about the ergonomics, are they really going to feel as comfortable on a low-end kit with very limited placement options due to cheap, low quality hardware, or a medium/high-end kit with better hardware?  But thats just MHO.
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« Reply #18 on: December 16, 2002, 11:08 AM »

I started out on a crappy set and I just could not take it!  Playing music for so many years and then switching to drums and having to learn on something with lousy sound got old.  Therefore, I sold a bunch of my equipment to buy a better set of drums.  Do I consider myself a drummer?  Not yet, because I am a perfectionist and until the day, I listen to my practice tapes and actually, like what I am hearing then I can move to the next level!  When I was younger, I would have just put up with the crappy drums and did the best that I could.  However, being older I guess I have gotten cranky and will put up with a lot less.  If a person has the $$ there you go!  It is his money.  Jealousy gets you nowhere, maybe the person will quit in a few months, and you can get his nice expensive set cheap!  Grin
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« Reply #19 on: December 20, 2002, 05:48 PM »

Drum Tech? You have a Drum Tech? Geez! um....can I be your Drum Tech?
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