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« Reply #40 on: February 08, 2006, 02:52 PM »

who's "she?" Angry

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i'm kiddin'. [my mother always had a "thing" about people speaking in the third person when said person was in the same room. ok, ok; so we're not really in the same room.]

The more people package it for you, the less you'll truly process the insights being offered, because you'd merely be consuming those insights, not reaching your OWN insights...
 

you know, i think this statement, particularly the 'reaching your own' insights thing, more or less crystalizes some of the thoughts i had prior to posting the question.

if ya couldn't tell by now, i have a lot of opinions about a lot of things [ya don't say, smoggy?], and i listen to a fair amount of music. i'm pretty sure i mentioned at the start of the thread that i had arrived at some of my own thoughts/conclusions about certain players [though not all, by any stretch], and i thought that since i'm not a seasoned player, all i was walking around with were opinions, which on some level, didn't seem cool. that's why i thought it seemed like the right thing to do was to 'look to a higher authority,' so to speak.

but now i realize that's more or less what everyone else [musician] is walking around with, too. opinions. just seems some of the same opinions are held by enough people such that they filter down as 'truth.'

since i doubted that i might've reached any 'truth' of my own accord, [kinda like when you're sipping wine next to a connoisseur, and you say it tastes 'peppery' and they praise it as 'dung-like', you feel stupid], it seemed logical to reach out to more 'credentialed' musicians, thinking they might set me straight, coz i thought the generalities i was getting at [eg; when i listen to tlc, i always just feel 'this is really deep' or 'this is really intuitive'] were kinda wimpy. they seemed rooted in a purely emotional response, not a technical one, and for whatever reason i thought the technical answers were the thing i needed to get at. i guess it's a balance of the two. like tony said, music can transcend a lot of words.

i got a lot out of this thread, though, despite not getting some 'Understanding the Great Drummers for Dumbies' guidebook. if anything, it served to remind me that i'm sort of on the right path, in terms of just listening to what i encounter that moves me. now i gotta get to the airto 'listen and play, listen and play' thing, then go on to transcribe, which is hard for me still with some of the music i like.

but between this and the music theory post, i am totally spent, so... how 'bout a beer?

your treat!

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« Reply #41 on: February 13, 2006, 07:58 PM »

... we are forced to be selective about our time so we're always looking for resources that condense the experience of others so we don't re-invent the wheel.    ...    There's a lot of junk out there that you can waste your time with - I know, I've done it.  

Obviously, a comprehensive analysis which you can find in a library full of jazz books is a bit beyond the scope of this forum AND there really are no short cuts if you are serious student which is why it take sooo long to really mature as a player.  But I'd suggest that this forum would be a good place for slowly building a good reference list of jazz greats and members insights.  To do it right I think it would require a little more organization however, maybe with Bart handing out assignments to the more experienced with each artist being a different topic.  Anyway, I think the goal it is a worthy one and should not be dismissed.

I finally got around to reading this post.  My intention of replying is not to get this whole discussion started again because I think we've met some closure here.  However, I must say that my interpretation of Smoggy's request was sincere and useful.  I'm reminded of two parallels:  

1)  In college I took an art history course.  We were only able to see photos of a few of any artists works, yet we were guided to the significant things about the work.  Without someone to explain what I was looking at, I would have been clueless.  I was left to my own desires to explore an artist that spoke to me, but at least I had something to go on.  

2)  The biblical story of Paul asking whether the Ethiopian knew what he was reading (scriptures).  He replied, how can I unless someone explains it to me?  

One of the reasons I frequent this forum is to pick up bits of wisdom to help me understand drumming/music and grow as a drummer.  I can't begin to calculate how much I've learned since I've been coming here!  Being here also inspired me to begin taking lessons again (thanks Bart!) to further my growth.  We amatuers who aren't full-time, formally educated musicians appreciate the tidbits to keep us growing.  It's no different than the tidbits I pass on to my beginner students.  

Anyway, maybe it's feasible to jot a synopsis of certain drummers and maybe it's not.  But either way, at some point, many drummers' styles or contributions get discussed and we "lesser musically educated forumites" can learn more.  I appreciate the information presented here and I've gone off on many explorations based on information from threads here.  I don't see the harm in giving someone a "soundbite" to get someone started on an exploration.  

Anyway, that's just my 2 cents.  Carry on.
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« Reply #42 on: February 14, 2006, 06:15 PM »

Check out the drummers on the later Steely Dan albums for absolute consumate studio drumming: nothing over-played, everything in it's rightful place with gallons of groove. Bernard Purdie, Rick Marotta, Jeff Porcaro, Ed Green, Steve Gadd.
Check out Billy Cobham's solo album 'Spectrum' for amazing technique allied to the ability to also play simple grooves.
Check out Jon Christensen on many ECM albums for beautiful jazz playing. Likewise Jack De Johnette.
Check out Levon Helm (The Band), Don Henley (The Eagles) and Jim Keltner (Ry Cooder and others) for drumming in a quintessential American style.......AND playing for the song.
Check out the Steve Jordan DVD 'The Groove Is Here'.
Once again, check out Mr Acrolites website for some great mp3's.
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