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« on: January 06, 2003, 04:47 PM » |
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Just rambling here...
Anybody have any thoughts about dealing with massive turnover in a touring band? In 6 short months, I've gone from being the new guy to the seasoned vet. While I've been in the band, the bassist of 7 years left for a professional career. Before I joined the band, it had a new guitarist who'd only been there a month. He's not working out and is now being fired. So we have a new bassist, we had a new guitarist, and that guitarist will now be replaced by yet another new one. Plus, I'm fairly new too.
The only people who have been in the band for more than 6 months are the singer/leader and the original 2nd guitarist. Before that, the band had been an integral whole for about 3 years.
Being in this band has been a constant state of flux. Not only do we learn new songs constantly, the band keeps changing. Right when I was starting to understand everyone's style and getting comfortable in a band groove, people started leaving. This means there's no cohesion. Gigs don't gel. And with every new person leaving, the cohesion falls apart even more. Bands take time to become a unit.
The band leader is frustrated too. She sent me an email saying that a while back she had the best band ever and now there's no solidity with all the changes.
Anyway, I'm just typing here. I don't know if there's anything I can do, or anything we can do as a band to get things right, other than give it the time to become a unit. I guess there's no quick fix to this problem.
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« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2003, 05:03 PM » |
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youre right about everything. it takes time to gel, turnover is a pain, and theres no quick fix. but while all this is a nuisance, its also a blessing. people that arent whole commited to being in this band are leaving. better have them take off before you rely on them and then bitterness gets the better of everyone. the big suck is that this is supposed to be your living if im not mistaken. and this can really drag that down. but if you and the singer and guitarist are focused adn compatable, then the rest will come in time. and you just need to plug away. and keep the writing gigs to pay bills 
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« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2003, 11:05 PM » |
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Sounds like you guys need a hit.
Watch them line up to play when you get that gold record.
See you on the cover of MD.
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« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2003, 08:12 AM » |
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This thread should read: The Agony of Playing for a Solo Artist.  I know exactly how you feel Side. One of the solo artists I played for constantly had problems with guitar players. It was a never-ending nightmare trying to find the right person who had the right sound, tone, dynamics and just overall musical intuitiveness needed etc. For awhile, we had the same guy but, after he left we were in constant search and it seemed like every 3-4 months we'd have somebody new fill-in to play shows. Very frustrating as you can imagine. We never did find the right person and after awhile the band folded because of that and many other numerous problems. I don't want to sound presumptious here but, it sounds to me like your singer is the problem. If she's hoping for what she had in the past, then that's not fair to all of the new members. Besides, all that does is reinforce a lack of confidence in everyone. Perfect thing for ruining a band. When I look back at my experience with this, my singer was rigid towards anyone new. She never learned to trust musically and/or personally. It made things very difficult and as a result of that it created more problems. She would say the same things as you mentioned earlier that your singer had said like, this line-up isn't the same as what I had before yadda, yadda, yadda. Well, after an extended period of this kind of crap going on, the rest of the band quit. We thought, #$%$ this, who needs this kind of B.S. Anyway, don't mean to sound negative, I just don't want to see anyone go through what I went through with crap like that. My advice to you: If this continues, I'd bow out gracefully and pursue other projects. Better to save face than to stay in a situation your not happy with. I hope this helps you out. Good Luck. 
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« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2003, 12:59 PM » |
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Just rambling here...
Anyway, I'm just typing here. I don't know if there's anything I can do, or anything we can do as a band to get things right, other than give it the time to become a unit. I guess there's no quick fix to this problem.
I havn't played in the kind of situation your talking about, but, another point of view is that playing with new players (assuming they have the necessary skills for the situation) can be a refreshing break from the same ol' repetitive rut. Think of it as sitting in with a band. Perhapse the product won't be the same for a while and will evolve over time, but maybe that's a good thing. Just a thought. Ratamatatt
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« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2003, 05:44 PM » |
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One of 2 things is happening here. If 1 or 2 people stay and everyone else is coming and going it is a pretty safe bet that something is wrong with those 1 or 2 people.
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The band has poor auditioning/interviewing skills and are hiring members that are really not compatible with the band.
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« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2003, 06:42 PM » |
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I think one of the challenges facing all of us today is the demise of 'the band' in general. If you think of most bands there are going to be quite a few where 1-2 people constitute 'the band' and the rest are differing levels of sideman. Drummers and bass players seem to suffer the most but none are immune who aren't:
1) Either writing songs or the PRIMARY writers (think Andy Sumners & Stewart Copeland vs. Sting)
2) The primary vocalist or vocalists (think David Coverdale/Whitesnake or Ann and Nancy Wilson/Heart, Phil Collins/Genesis)
3) A 'tenured' member: Mick Fleetwood/Fleetwood Mac
4) Married
There are othere types but I think you get the picture. On the other hand if you become a celebrated sideman (Steve Gadd, Tommy Aldridge, Peter Erskine) you may not get all the perks of band membership but you can always leave the ship before it sinks and find a safe harbor somewhere else!
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« Reply #7 on: January 08, 2003, 01:32 PM » |
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Well, update time... Some good may come out of this. The band leader has decided for the forseeable future to bring in a different "star" guitarist for every gig. This means the core band rehearses together, but then at the gig, a "name" guitar player will be featured on the gig. These will be players who already have their own thing and are already established in their own right, so they wouldn't want to join up full time. But they'll be able to play one-off gigs with a name singer. At first this sounded like a bad idea to me: potential for train wrecks, lack of band cohesion, needing to play simpler songs, etc. But after thinking about it, this is a networking goldmine. It means that I'll get to play with a different top-notch player in the bay area at every gig. I definitely wouldn't need to get charged up for a gig, since this is the ultimate in future opportunity. If I play well, maybe I'll get some additional gigs out of it or at least some good word of mouth. Anyway, not to personalize the thread too much. But there's an update. Things seem more promising than they did yesterday anyway. 
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« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2003, 01:55 PM » |
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i could why youd have those initial fears, but it sounds like it could be a great idea for all involved. you, the guitarist and singer that work together just need to find a bassist who can hang and youre set. im sure the music isnt too outthere so it shouldnt be to tricky for someone whos already got thier act together to pick it up and solo  and the root of the band will be simpler and easier to deal with. and god knows networking is a pain in the kiester, having great networking opprotunities handed too you is quite the benefit 
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