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what kind of tumbao is this?

« on: March 26, 2004, 07:47 AM »

http://www.congahead.com/Movies/valdez.htm

I wonder what kind of tumbao is this and if anyone has or can trancribe the basic pattern that he plays. I love this groove and would like to try and learn it. not sure if you have to have 4 drums to play it.

If you liked the one above, check this one too:
http://www.congahead.com/Movies/valdez2.htm

I love how he throws in the flams(?) or 16th or whatevere right way to refer to those.


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« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2004, 08:17 AM »

Keep in mind that tumbao just means the grounding rhythm that is played by the congas which affect the way the music and dance is felt. To be honest, this is probably his own tumbao; something that he came up with which fits a two-bar clave pattern.


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« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2004, 08:25 AM »

Hi guys,

Hope all is well! That pattern is one of Patato's trademarks, and it's an adaptation of a batÃ¡ toque known as Cha cha OlokefÃºn.

Hope this helps!

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« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2004, 08:45 AM »

Quote from: tamboricua on March 29, 2004, 08:25 AM

Hope all is well! That pattern is one of Patato's trademarks, and it's an adaptation of a batÃ¡ toque known as Cha cha OlokefÃºn.

Then there you go.

I knew it was his trademark, as I have a lot of recordings where he plays this tumbao, but had no idea exactly what it was.

Oh well ... I let my gringo shine through once again ... and learned something new in the process.


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« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2004, 02:17 PM »

Thanks guys, do you know if it's transcribed anywhere or taught in some video or something... I guess I could try and learn it from the video on congahead.


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« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2004, 07:39 AM »

Hi Fed,

Check out:

http://www.congaplace.com/instrument/batadrums/rhythms/chachalokpafun.php

Also, Raul Rekow from Santana use this rhythm a lot. He explains his version on the video "From Afrocuban to Rock".

Hope this helps!

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« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2004, 04:48 PM »

Fed, have you got any other tumbao parts?
Like the one to Guaguanco, Yambu, Bembe, etc?
They're all similar yet different.

I ran across a guy this weekend who said one of the things he learned was "the tumbao".

Interesting.. If you do search for Tumbao in the last year, you come across several posts where people were comparing speeds, trying it with different clave patterns, etc. and most of the posts refer to "tumbao" as "the tumbao".
Then, one or two refer to the "Son tumbao".
What is that? Anyone got the notation?

My impression is that the tumbao is a part of rhythm, and is generally a bit different for every song.


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« Reply #7 on: April 01, 2004, 06:35 AM »

From what I learned so far "the tumbao" pattern is


^vXX^vOO or
^vXv^vOO

or in english

heel fingers slap slap heel fingers open open
heel fingers slap fingers heel fingers open open

Now, I have a video "Findamento II" by Boby Sanabria
It's all tumbao. He shows Guajira, Son Montuno and Mambo
and it's all second line tumbao that I notated above with a little variation where it's only one open tone. Other then that the only difference is tempo.

That's one of the reasons why I started this thread. What Pottato played didn't sound or looked like tumbao I know. Then of cource I don't know that much Tongue

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« Reply #8 on: April 03, 2004, 11:52 AM »

Tumbao for Guaguanco de Matanzas played on the Tumba

count: | 1 & 2 & 3 & 4 & | 1 & 2 & 3 & 4 & || clave: | X - - X - - - X | - - X - X - - - || tumba: | B T - B B - O - | B T - M B - O - ||

The bass-touches are with the left hand, and the bass-basses/muff-basses are the right then left, tones are with the right.

This was once posted in the last tumbao discussion, but I had simplified it by leaving out the touches. Since you can do the Mambo tumbao with bass-touches, Ive included them here. Also, a few doubled tones.

A sound sample:
http://animaldreams.net/cong/Tum.mp3


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