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« on: May 05, 2004, 04:47 AM » |
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I know the subject title is just ASKING for it, but.....I have been playing almost 30 years. I have broken exactly ONE stick in all that time. No, I don't throw them out or change after only a couple of beats. I even play with the shoulder of the stick on the Hat (a failing in some circles I hear). Sure the sticks get chewed up after a while and I dispose of them at that point. But I can have a pair of sticks for months, without breaking them. I do not play everyday and have certainly not been in a band all this time. The music I have played is not gentle by any means (but not Thrash either). I am in an original band at this time, kind of a Rock/Jazz/Funk sound. I have never felt the need to play overly HARD. I assume that is how sticks get broken. I know it sounds like that was a stupid statement for a 30 year player. I have certainly seen sticks break. My bandmates tell me one of the drummers they auditioned before me broke 7 sticks in a half hour??!! I know playing HARD adds some visual excitement for the audience. But is it really needed? It seems when I watch concerts/videos/instructionals I notice most "Pro's" ( not inferring I am one by any means....ummmm, yeah) play fairly relaxed and easy when they hit. Of course the drums are mic'd up and I can see where you might break some sticks in an unmic'd situation. But reading many other threads I always notice mention of sticks breaking. So, is the Wuss in me? I can certainly WHACK the cr*p out of them when needed. But I just don't seem to break sticks.
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« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2004, 06:05 AM » |
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I don't think you are a wuss. I never believed that the harder one hits makes them a better drummer. I used to hit as hard as i could back when i played heavy metal and i noticed i didn't play any better than if i would have played softer. All i did was tire myself out alot quicker. I have broke some sticks though before. BUT at the time my technique was wrong i was hitting the hi hats at an angle and it would chew up my sticks fast and i would continue playing with em till eventually they would break. Heck i don't recall ever busting a head either.
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« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2004, 06:10 AM » |
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Back when I was in a "metal" band, I broke a lot of sticks. It was because there was a fine line (for me) between playing with sticks that were comfortable for me, and sticks that were appropriate for the job.
Nowadays I wear away sticks long before they break. Any breakage comes from using a stick for too long after it's been whittled down to a toothpick!!
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« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2004, 06:18 AM » |
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i like to see how far a stick will go befor it get too mushy, but i rarley break one, but a friend of mine looked like he was sitting at a saw mill when he got done playing
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« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2004, 06:39 AM » |
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There's no honor - and no shame - in breaking sticks. Some people break a lot, some hardly any. I always broke a lot until I switched to graphite sticks; now they last for ages, and I almost never break one. But I never thought of it as cool or bad or a sign of good or bad technique. I just know that sticks are expensive, so I'm glad my current choice of sticks is so durable - it saves me a LOT of money!
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« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2004, 06:40 AM » |
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Sounds like you know how to hit your drums and cymbals properly, that's all.
Not to say that if sticks break now and then that anything is wrong, but if you know your equipment, and you are extracting your sounds from the kit with the finesse of a pro, sticks shouldn't be breaking willy-nilly. I think dropping them is more of a sign of a master than breaking them is, because dropping them may mean you are keeping a loose, relaxed grip, and I like that, personally. It is also a fun challenge for me to grab another stick on stage when one gets hung up in the hardware.
The question oof breakage/damage can also apply to other instruments:
When I played guitar I used to play out acoustically all the time, and I never broke a string on stage EVER. Yet, I'd go see other musicians, who played so hard that they tore up their guitar in one spot (looked very stupid, a big deep ridge beneath the pickguard) and they broke a string every third song, commented on it as they changed it on stage. Yes, some thought it was cool, but I thought she just had not technique, no finesse. I mean, anyone can break everything. It is harder not to, so be proud!
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« Reply #6 on: May 05, 2004, 06:58 AM » |
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Thanks for the responses. I agree as sticks wear there is the greater chance of breakage and I do dispose of as they start to splinter around the shoulder....but they are pretty worn down before disposal. What I find "interesting" is the person I mentioned that my band auditioned...breaking 7 sticks in a half hour....new sticks. But then I believe I have seen Mr. Moon do the same during the "My Generation" from Live at Leeds I believe. So I can understand the energy factor behind the breakage. As an aside...never broke a head either. But have heard of people that break new ones "often".
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« Reply #7 on: May 05, 2004, 07:18 AM » |
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Another point I harp on regarding stick breakage is choosing GOOD sticks. That is, sticks with a nice, straight grain that runs the length of the stick.
Sticks with a grain running across them are definitely more likley to BREAK than straight-grained sticks.
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« Reply #9 on: May 05, 2004, 09:51 AM » |
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I don't break nearly as many stix and cymbals as I aspire to.
I splintered one at the neck about a month ago and chucked it during a break in a tune I think. So I was very proud of myself.
My 16 fast crash paiste is fractured (did that about 4 years ago) so I'm way behind. I've been beating the bejezus out of my splash all over hell's half acre and still havn't cracked it yet- feel pretty wussy about that. I'm going to keep trying though.
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« Reply #10 on: May 05, 2004, 02:14 PM » |
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i haven't broken a stick since that disgusting batch of travis barker sticks i got. i thought it was a bargain, a dozen pairs for around twelve bucks.
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« Reply #11 on: May 05, 2004, 05:37 PM » |
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I break sticks of course.But a pair lasts me a few months b4 a stick will break.Then I just save the broken sticks as kindeling for my fire pit.I do not hit overly hard,as time has gone on I have toned down quite a bit.For certian songs during a live show I really give whacks to some drums,mainly the snare.But thats because I am playing live.When I am at home with my headphone on playing to music I hit hard enough to hear my drums over the music blasting in my ears.
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« Reply #12 on: May 06, 2004, 09:00 AM » |
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I too have been playing for a long time (though not as long,only 4/5 years) and have only ever broken 2 sticks (and they were cheap crappy ones so it dont really count) i dont think it matters if you dont break alot of sticks, it saves you money afterall and its a bummer when a stick snaps at a difficult time in a song.
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« Reply #13 on: May 06, 2004, 12:54 PM » |
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ive been playin for 7 years and broken hundreds of sticks. i do play very hard and i play a few hours every day so thats a big deal of it. i just broke one of those aquarian x-10;s last week so im back to crackin wood ones every day now
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« Reply #14 on: May 08, 2004, 05:45 AM » |
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I hit hard and rimshot constantly, I just can't slow my arms down once they're moving toward the target. This means heavy wear in the centre of the stick but I get a month and a bit out of Vic Firth Metals before they're too thin and fled in the middle. I have to cut the bottom inch off of them to get them to move though, Promark 2B's are perfect weighting for me but just not durable, flaking away in ~3 weeks.
And a quick note from a budding mechanical engineer on the whittling of sticks into toothpicks: This generally means you're hacking into the edge of your cymbals, mainly the hats, which is causing undue compressive stress on your cymbals, which means they're gonna crack at the edge.
This is why it's frowned upon in some circles, especially in mine, I try not to judge but I feel for the battered cymbals. I constantly remind myself that some just don't know yet as I watch innocent cymbals being bruised and beaten. I urge all you toothpick makers, hit flatter and glance along the edge, imparting energy more gradually over more area rather than impacting a small area. You'll get more stick life and more importantly, more cymbal life.
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« Reply #15 on: May 08, 2004, 08:02 AM » |
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I break sticks. I use proper technique, but hit pretty hard. It seems to me that because I hit hard rimshots quite a bit (larger venues that only mic the toms and bass), I wear down the integrity of the stick. Then they split, and I get splinters....
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« Reply #16 on: May 15, 2004, 07:47 AM » |
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I am not a hard hitter. My sticks get mushy and thrown out long before they break. I play the edge of the hats a lot so that eats away the shoulders of the sticks quickly. When they get mushy I throw them out.
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