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« on: May 29, 2005, 04:25 PM »

Ok....i dont know if any of you will have a clue what exactly i'm on about, but basically, there is one drumbeat (synthesised) that is often found in techno, dance, i think it is also used by DJs occasionally and it is at the beginning of 'Eyeless' by Slipknot. Now what i want to know is a) Have you any idea what i'm referring to? b) Is it physically possible to play it or something like it? c) If so, could someone post a tab/explain to me how it's done. Reason? Sounds interesting, but i think would sound a hell of a lot better on real drums. Smiley Smiley
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« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2005, 05:12 PM »

If you could post a link to the sort of groove you're talking about, it would be much easier to respond.
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« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2005, 05:51 PM »

It's possible to play it live on an acoustic kit, but I've seen/heard very few people be able to do this. Jo Jo Mayer is one individual I've seen do this.

Keep in mind that Slipknot has three drummers, so they could probably play this techno groove live.

I've heard what you're talking about at the beginning of "Eyeless'. Perhaps someone else will take the time to write it out for you.
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« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2005, 11:03 AM »

a great example of techno-esque drumming on an acoustic kit is dave navarro's first solo album, "Trust No One."
it's a great album, the first couple tracks have this style of drumming that feels programmed but it's got some awesome dynamics in it..

anyway..  slipknot..   crazy guys!
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« Reply #4 on: May 31, 2005, 03:22 AM »

dont know the slipknot song, but "drum & bass" beats can easily be done on a drum kit.  course, depends on the programming, cause they can be as ridiculous as u-ziq song, or as easy as a "4 on the floor" paul oakenfold dance track.

and IMHO, while its a shame there arent more well known D&B style drummers like Tom Jenkinson, Thomas Lang, Marco Minnemann, Jojo Mayer, the fact of the matter is the context of electronica music lends more to the synthy sound of drum machines than the warm organic tones of a maple drum set.

little rant:  the problem however i have these days with alot of programmed beats is that many of the sounds they use are merely canned straight from the preset options in drum machines and software synths.  these vanilla beats and sounds have made songs quite boring and insipid.  thus playing these beats on regular drumsets actually does add a bit of life to them.  i.e. that sped up D&B, clyde stubblefield beats that EVERYONE AND THEIR MOM knows.

but there are guys like Matmus, Aphex Twin, UNKLE (w/ DJ Shadow), etc. breaking out of this rut by not only making some really creative grooves but are also manipulating everyday sounds into new beats that if played by regular drums wouldnt sound nearly as cool.  

i.e. the beat to Richard James' "Bucephalus Bouncing Ball" is a sampled marble hitting a glass table.  Bjork's recent "Medulla" is her take on acapella, and the song "Triumph of a Heart" is her way of literally "humanizing" computer generated sounds.  while guys like LTJ Bokem, Ben Watt of (defunct) Everything but the Girl fame and wunderkund Amon Tobin (recent work: Splinter Cell video game soundtrack) write some supremely catchy D&B style beats that while dancible, are quite inventive and fun.  end o' rant

but in the end, taking inspiration from non-drummers with programmers of electronica music is a fun way to break out of some old grooves and ruts.  start with some Roni Size, Grooverider, Squarepusher, Goldie, and go on from there.
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« Reply #5 on: May 31, 2005, 09:17 AM »

....ahh, heh squarepusher is the good.  =D


...don't forget old OLD prodigy! Stuff like the wicked drumbeat in the song "Hyperspeed." That's by far the best programmed beat I have EVER.... EVER heard.  hands down.
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« Reply #6 on: May 31, 2005, 07:05 PM »

If you are looking for some real cool, faster, technoie drumbeats you might want to check out Zack Velmer of Sound Tribe Sector 9. this band is quite unlike Slipknot so they may not be your bag. However, as producers and musicians they are exellent. they use both electronic and live drumbeats, primarily the latter. Just a suggestion for want you may be interested in. Check them out at www.sts9.com.
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« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2005, 07:39 AM »

Having seen Slipknot perform "Eyeless" live, it's the other percussionists - you know, the pair who spend most their on top of their hybrid kits pointing at the crowd or hitting something with a baseball bat while Joey Jordison actually plays the songs - who play that intro on marching snares and probably don't play the entire section individually, but play 'off' each other. Tabbing it would be tough, if the latter was the case, because you don't have 4 arms Smiley
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« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2005, 12:15 PM »

Ok....i dont know if any of you will have a clue what exactly i'm on about, (...)

quite obviously, we do know what you're talkin' about... Wink

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« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2005, 11:54 PM »

Are we talking about the kind of beat that Gregg Bissonette plays on his dvd?That being the beat he plays on his snare upside down incorporating the snares as part of the beat.
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« Reply #10 on: June 03, 2005, 12:05 AM »

After giving that "eyeless" a listen too,I believe we are talking about the same thing.You might want to check out Gregg's dvd,He breaks down that same kinda beat. Wink
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« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2005, 01:56 AM »

hmmmm....  might be a good DVD worth checking out..

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« Reply #12 on: June 03, 2005, 07:37 AM »

Here's a little bit of hybrid techno drumming.
Some might remeber this cat from the TWIX commercials that aired, to others this might be new.

I think this guy is doing a good job of bridging the gap between techno and acoustic.

http://www.tonyverderosa.com/

Now, He's no Felix, but still worth a listen  Wink
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« Reply #13 on: June 05, 2005, 10:59 AM »

Zack Velmer of Sound Tribe Sector 9
I second that.
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« Reply #14 on: June 05, 2005, 01:04 PM »

I just got turned into this type of drumming from seeing JoJo Mayer at the MD Festival.  

Anyways, Johnny Rabb wrote a book on Drum N Bass beats.

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/g=perc/search/detail/base_id/80099

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« Reply #15 on: June 07, 2005, 01:55 PM »

If you are looking for some real cool, faster, technoie drumbeats you might want to check out Zack Velmer of Sound Tribe Sector 9.

I third this. Zach is one of the most talented drummers Ive  heard. Not only that, seein preform live is AMAZING. he is really one of a kind. If you have a chance to go see sts9 in your area, i HIGHLY recommend it. it worth it just to watch him. For me, just seeing him preformed opened my eyes to a whole new set of grooves. The kind of techno / acid jazz style of play is awesome.

also, the bassist (murphy) and other members of the band are fantastic.
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« Reply #16 on: June 09, 2005, 12:24 PM »

Zach Danzinger is another guy who really can dig that stuff- great drummer, check him out.
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« Reply #17 on: June 09, 2005, 03:54 PM »

Wow, a surprisingly obscene amount of feedback! Incidentally, the part of 'Eyeless' i was referring to is not live drumming but in fact a beat delivered by the DJ. The dodgy sounds and lack of bass give it away, methinks. I was merely wondering if it was physically possible to tab, or play, but cheers for all the feedback!
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« Reply #18 on: June 28, 2005, 04:47 PM »

Dont be talkin the smack crack.
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