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« on: June 24, 2005, 10:00 PM »

Well after twenty something years of drumming,and finding proper technique so I can play for at least twenty more,I figured I wouldnt have any problems with my arm/wrists and hands.
Just over a week ago I noticed that my left hand was feeling quite numb. Not the whole hand,just the ring finger,pinky side. The numbness is also affecting that side of my arm,tricep,bicep into the shoulder and now part of the back. At first I was thinking C.T.S.but when I realized it was just part of the hand and into the left side of my body,I started thinking I was one of those guys who had a mild stroke without knowing it.
I went to my doctor,after a few tests he told me its called Ulnar Neuropathy.Well I did some research and found alot of Medical jargon.Dammit Jim ,I`m a drummer ,not a doctor.
 Just wanted to see if anyone here has encountered this,and if so what has happened.What brought it on?
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« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2005, 09:53 PM »

Tests scheduled for the 11 of July.EMG and NCV,also an MRI.
Was just curious to see if anyone had any infomation as to treatment,cause.
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« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2005, 10:24 AM »

Ask ur doctor?
This is the situation.The last time I saw my doctor I was sent to another doctor,then another doctor,then one more doctor. This was for chronic back pain.To make a very long and aggravating story as short as possible,it took almost a year for these "professionals" to decide an MRI would be a good idea.Wow,that was my thought from the begining.It seemed that all was happening is every doctor in my county was getting insurance money from my case,but no progress was being made.Share the wealth,kind of like lawyers,you dont keep the bucks rolling in if you settle a case. I felt like a cash cow! It turned out I have Arthritis in the back,two protruding discs,and Degenerative disc disease in six discs.
 Maybe you read my post about getting hooked on pain killers in the time it took them to figure out what was wrong. It seems that alot of doctors think that drugs are the end all.
I dont have much faith in the medical field since my last experience.   I chose my own direction of action,alternatives. I went to a pain management center,epidoral injections in the spine,wow now I can live again.
I figured if someone here had some experience with this particular ailment,I could save some time and going from doctor to doctor. Have a general idea of what should be the natural order to treat it.
If you have never been through the doctor mill ,and the time wasted on useless visits you would not understand the aggravation this causes.But I understand why you say ask your doctor,I have,and just like last time,its the runaround.
Hope you can understand where I am coming from.
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« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2005, 03:47 PM »

Absolutely Drumo! BUT! You must get checked out with the tests that Xena mentioned. I have, as Xena, experienced CTS surgery but the are different nerves in the hands. The ulnar controls half of the fourth finger and the pinky; the carpel tunnel controls the palm, thumb, middle, and half of the fourth finger. To answer your question, yes I have, but numbness is the shoulder arm etc. must be checked out. Good Luck! Let us know what the results are.
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« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2005, 04:45 PM »

Thanks Puppy,I am getting the tests done.  Also a T- spine MRI.
From whats going on it seems to definately be the Ulnar nerve. Which for anyone who is not familiar with just what it is,if you ever hit your" funny bone"in your elbow,that feeling you get,thats what its like, constantly.
I think the insurance/doctor,lets see how long we can drag this out thing is what bothers me most.
Thanks for the reply guys/gal.
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« Reply #5 on: June 30, 2005, 02:59 PM »

Drumo,
Let us know how you make out. Good luck!!
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« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2005, 04:16 AM »

Good luck Drumodad.  I know how frustrating this can be.  I have <am> experienced <experiencing> this.  All I can say is to definitely get a few different opinions before you consider surgery.  I saw 8 different hand specialists/neurologists/orthopedic doctors, all with excellent credentials, who gave me varying diagnosis.  Different hand conditions/symptoms can be very similar to each other.  That's why it is sooo important to have a couple of EMGs done---even those results varied!  While I have the ulnar neuropathy, I also had CTS, so decided to deal with that first.

What my doctor recommended was wearing elbow splints at night ("Use of an elbow splint at night will keep the elbow from being bent during sleep. A pad around the elbow during the day will protect the nerve from trauma. Splint and elbow pads are usually custom made by a hand or physical therapist....")

As far as what brought mine on, let me see, piano?  boxing? < Grin>, drumming?  computers?  I know that this type of injury is especially common in guitar players.  One doctor said that the way I was sleeping <on my stomach/side with my arm(s) straight up> could influence this...

Anyway, due to my neuropathies < Grin>, I can't type too much, but if you want to talk about this more, drop me a pm, and I'll be happy to write you in short, intermittent doses!

But, please, have at least 2 EMGs  <by different neurologists.>
Very important!


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« Reply #7 on: July 02, 2005, 12:35 PM »

Thanks for you input Zena. I will do what I can,insurance allowing.
I`m still trying to find the exact cause ,may never know. I do play some guitar,and I play bass quite often,I actually just started in a band playing bass as a side project,uh oh. Surgery is the last option for sure.

Mudpuppy,thanks for you input as well.
We should get together sometime as we are pretty close.
Maybe the next time I am going up your way I will pm you before hand.
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« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2005, 05:40 PM »

Ok,so it seems that there is a tendon in the elbow that is putting pressure on the nerve. The neurologist said to wear the brace,give it a month and see if time will help it. He said that if that doesnt do the trick then we will just simply remove the tendon. He said we really dont need it. What! I am really not buying the dont need a part that is there for a reason. Well I guess its time to find another opinion.  
I`m thinking of having my brain removed later this year,I really dont need it either. Can you believe this.
It reconfirms my feelings that I have expressed in previous posts.
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« Reply #9 on: July 17, 2005, 02:22 AM »

I think you need to back down from your default position that anything a medic says must be instantly suspicious or obviously wrong and that you know better.

You can do without your appendix, one kidney, one lung, some bones, several feet of intestine, and any number of other smaller bits and pieces that are handy but non-essential.
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« Reply #10 on: July 17, 2005, 01:03 PM »

You may be right there Moose.  The default position thing.
I dont think that I know better or more than the guys/ladies with the degrees. But I am going to get more than one opinion. Then if the general concensus is for removal of the Tendon,so be it. I`m hoping its just one of those things that will heal in time.
 I  just have not had a reaffirming experience in the past couple of years.
Thanks for your insight as all is appreciated ,be it good or bad,criticism is what makes us all better. I will be putting some thought into what you have to say.
 Thanks,Drumodad,not a Doctor
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« Reply #11 on: July 17, 2005, 01:19 PM »

But I am going to get more than one opinion.

I'm not for a second suggesting you shouldn't. It's entirely sensible and prudent, especially where invasive surgery is concerned.

You should always ask probing questions of any medic you see. If you don't understand something, ask; even if it sounds like it might be a stupid question. If you think of the question later, or come across something in your own researches, write it down and take the question with you. In this case ask what the offending tendon is called, what it does, what the impact of its removal is, and why you can do without it. Have him show you illustrations.

By all means try to understand more about your condition and its treatment. I just don't think it's necessarily in your best interest to do that starting from a position of suspicion. Do it because you want to be better informed, not because you suspect they're wrong.
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« Reply #12 on: July 17, 2005, 01:39 PM »

I hear your words Moose. Am doing research and making inquiries .  Thanks for your input.
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« Reply #13 on: July 19, 2005, 09:01 PM »

Well I didnt have a tendon removed but in January of 2004 I had intramuscular transposition surgery on my ulnar nerve.  My problem originated about 9 years ago after a car wreck that caused some scar tissue to form around the nerve.  The compressed nerve left my pinky and ring fingers slightly numb.  Over the years the numbness increased and my elbow would really ache after playing for a couple of hours.  Also, I couldnt fall asleep with my arm bent at all or it would be completely numb aside from the considerable aching in my elbow.

The aching was driving me nuts and it wasnt getting any better, even though I was sleeping with my arm straight out every night, not playing the drums and staying away from anything that kept my arm bent for any length of time.  Anyway… after talking with other people who had the surgery, I had the EMG/NCV tests then the surgery to move my ulnar nerve to the top side of my elbow.  I still have a little numbness left in my two fingers but other than that Im back to normal.  The cause of my nerve problem might be totally different than yours Drumodad, but thats my "ulnar story".  I really hope you find some resolution because I know how miserable it can be.
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« Reply #14 on: July 20, 2005, 03:12 PM »

Andru,thanks a ton for your input. Its good to know that drumming would not be out of the picture if surgery was to happen.
Still wearing a brace on being very careful not to aggrivate it anymore. I have to go back in a couple of weeks to see where I am .
It does seem to be some what better ,not constantly numb like at first. Then it was constant and totally numb. So maybe its getting better with time,man I hope so.
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« Reply #15 on: August 20, 2005, 04:13 PM »

Happy day! No more numbness. No surgery.I guess it was just aggrivated by something,still dont remember hitting it or anything.
Thanks to all you caring drummers who replied.
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« Reply #16 on: August 20, 2005, 07:59 PM »

Congrat's Lucky you.  Nice when you get reply from such caring people.. Must have been all the prayer's

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« Reply #17 on: October 11, 2005, 12:59 PM »

I have the exact same pains, witch makes me nervous. I made a post about it but i think im gona close it and put it here. I get numness in my pinky too and shooting pains from the very tips of my fingers to shoulder blades. Im assuming im younger then most of the other people here only 23 and playing only about 10 years. What kind of dizeaze makes this Ulver Neropathy think, is it a brain thing, a nerve thing or a tendon thing. I like to this this is muscle stain or wrist shock or somthing since im much younger and been playing shorter time then the rest of the people who report CTS or tendon issues.
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