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« on: August 07, 2005, 03:54 AM » |
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what is it called when you do those three quick notes on like Tom 2, Floor Tom, Bass Drum and repeat it rapidly two or three times to create that "rolling" sound?
I thought it was just a triplet but I'm not sure of the correct terminology.
Anyhow, that is what my question pertains to:
First off, I play right handed. So when I try to do one of those triplets, am I supposed to go from small tom to big tom? (left to right?)
Obviously, it feels more natural to start with my right hand but that puts everything in reverse.
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« Reply #1 on: August 07, 2005, 05:54 AM » |
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Yes they are triplets, usually. Depends on the time structure you play them in. You can play 3,3,3,3 with no pause if any kind - triplets. You can play 3- 3- 3- 3- on a sixteenth note feel and pause for the last note (in 4/4). Then it is 16th note triplets. The rolling you describe is #1.
And you can start on whatever hand makes you more comfortable. But try to break yourself of that right handed dominance. It can hinder your sound.
There is no 'supposed to' really. What sound do you want to accomplish will guide you as to how to play it. One thing that sounds really cool is:
rh lh RF lh rh RF rh lh RF lh rh RF
Try left hand first, then right hand first, then back and forth like the example.
I think this is also refered to as a ruff.
I know a four stroke ruff is rh lh rh RF. or a pattern like that.
And if you have double bass add in the 4th note with the left foot & your really rockin'.
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« Reply #2 on: August 07, 2005, 06:27 AM » |
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I've heard these called power triplets or power threes.
You can play them as 1/8 note triplets, 16th note triples or however else you want to squeeze them.
Very good point 1202 about adding your left foot in with the mix.
Power 3's are a great way to move a lot of air in a very short time! I had heard them on record, but I remember the first time I heard a cat play them in front of me on a drumset- it was a religious experience for me. I thought it was coolest sounding thing that I had ever heard.
Now I just take them for granted cause they are so "easy" to play. Like 1202 says-there are a bunch of ways to play them- so enjoy!
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« Reply #3 on: August 07, 2005, 07:49 AM » |
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A triplet, to be sure, is three evenly-spaced notes occupying the same space as two of the same value—whether they're played on a snare drum, a hi-hat cymbal with one hand, or with the right bass drum, left bass drum, and floor tom in succession.
A ruff (also known as a drag) is two sixteenth-notes, played as grace notes, followed by an eighth-note stroke. Very un-triplet-y.
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« Reply #4 on: August 07, 2005, 08:02 AM » |
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You can play 3- 3- 3- 3- on a sixteenth note feel and pause for the last note (in 4/4). Then it is 16th note triplets. I think this is also refered to as a ruff.
How are you counting this 1202? At first I thought you were leaving out the 4th 16th note of each beat, making the notes 3 16ths and a 16th note rest, (but that wouldn't be triplets) so now I'm not sure. Are you leaving out the 4th beat of the measure? |
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« Reply #5 on: August 07, 2005, 08:14 AM » |
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A ruff (also known as a drag) is two sixteenth-notes, played as grace notes, followed by an eighth-note stroke. Very un-triplet-y.
Thank you for the clarification. But I'm now very confused. I know what a drag is. Can't play it well, but I know what it is. I thought a ruff was 4 notes played in one part of a note value, all given equal emphasis. For example 1 & 2 & could have a ruff starting on 2 and ending on the & of 2. |
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« Reply #6 on: August 07, 2005, 08:16 AM » |
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leaving out the 4th 16th note of each beat, making the notes 3 16ths and a 16th note rest, (but that wouldn't be triplets)
Is there a name for that? And that is what I meant. I thought that would be 16th note triplets, but I guess not. So then to play 16th note triplets it would be 12 notes for every beat in 4/4 time, correct? sorry if I confused the original poster with all of this. |
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« Reply #7 on: August 07, 2005, 08:23 AM » |
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Well, it would just be 3 sixteenths and a 1/16 note rest  If there is a pause or rest between each set of three the probably aren't triplets. If you are playing 6 even notes for each quarter note then that would be "16th note triplets". Just finished reading your entire post so... the time signature isn't an issue. a quarter note can be subdivided into; 2 - 1/8ths 3 - 1/8th note triplets (though 12th notes makes more since) 4 - 16ths 5 - (fuzzier terminology) quints (20th notes?) 6 - 16th note triplets (24ths?) etc.; no matter what the time signature is. |
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« Reply #8 on: August 07, 2005, 08:37 AM » |
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I thought a ruff was 4 notes played in one part of a note value, all given equal emphasis. For example 1 & 2 & could have a ruff starting on 2 and ending on the & of 2.
If it is, then I don't know about it. The closet thing I know of is the single stroke four. |
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« Reply #9 on: August 07, 2005, 08:47 AM » |
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I'm having a hard time transposing my physical motions into words. I think I need to get better at this.  Thank you for the clarifications. And sorry to hijak your post, mroberge  I hope I helped you answer your original question. |
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« Reply #10 on: August 07, 2005, 10:46 AM » |
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Oh, and as to the OP:
Try practicing them right hand first, left hand first, bass drum first, etc. In other words, go through all of the permutations as part of your practice, if you're so inclined.
Otherwise, I do believe that the "traditional" order of this maneuver is small tom to large tom to bass drum, yes.
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« Reply #11 on: August 07, 2005, 10:59 AM » |
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« Reply #12 on: August 07, 2005, 09:02 PM » |
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Thanks for the replies. Believe it or not, I can pretty much follow everything that's been said. I've been reading guitar music for 16 years and before I had a drum set, I owned a drum machine which I would program to play what I needed. So I got a good grasp on time signatures 4/4 time 2/4 etc... and 16th notes 32nd notes and what not, are all pretty familiar to me. I even understood 1202's explaination on: 3- 3- 3- 3- on a sixteenth note feel and pause for the last note (in 4/4) meant I'm not confused just yet |
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« Reply #13 on: August 08, 2005, 09:48 PM » |
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I'm not confused just yet Don't worry I shall remedy that!!!!  Give me time!!! |
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« Reply #14 on: August 11, 2005, 03:08 PM » |
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Dude, I said I would never be one of those guys that just gave a short snappy answer on one of these sites, but just go get lessons. Trying to piece together bits and pieces takes much, much longer than the time you would spend with a good teacher one on one. I know it can seem like an expensive proposition but trust me it's well worth it. The time and frustration you save is worth it's weight.
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