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« on: July 27, 2006, 09:30 AM »

So I've been playing drums for about 10 years, I took some lessons back in high school(actually I started in 4th grade in band for a year but that doesn't count) but I didn't take them too seriously. I'm basically self taught, I can play but I know there is so much that I don't know.

So I just got some drum dvd's, namely 2 dave weckyl(sp?) videos. One is back to basics which is real old and the other is evolution. I watched back to basics first then evolution, I thought it was pretty funny because almost everything he taught in back to basics was changed in evolution (which is pretty much the point i guess). Anyway I'm on a mission to re-learn the drumset and just learning the grip and bouncing stick technique he does in evolution has already changed everything I do.

It's kind of humbling to start all over again after so long but I'm up for the challenge. Any tips on what else I should check out? I've got my old syncopation book I'm about to break out once I've mastered my new grip.
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« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2006, 09:58 AM »

Since you're starting over, this would be an ideal time to hook up with a teacher and take the lessons more seriously.  The drumming DVDs are nice, but they're no substitute for a qualified teacher who can observe your technique and keep you from wandering into bad habits.
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« Reply #2 on: July 27, 2006, 10:04 AM »

I've looked into it, there isn't anyone I have found in my area. I live up in maine and an hour north of portland to boot so it's slim pickins. I'll keep looking and asking around though.
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« Reply #3 on: July 27, 2006, 10:19 AM »

Greetings to another Maine Drummer - I lived on the West Coast in Oregon a while back and setup some lessons from a teacher in a city that was about an hour away.  I'd go in a see him and get enough stuff to work on for a couple or three weeks.  I'd recommend contacting the Drum Shop in Portland, ME and telling them what you're doing and what you'd want from a teacher and see what they'd offer.  There are several other drummers in the Cafe from Maine and they might have more information. 
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« Reply #4 on: July 27, 2006, 10:21 AM »

I agree with Dave....try to find any teacher, there has to be somebody out there where you live that is better than you and could teach you something. On the video side of things check out Steve Smith's History of the U.S. beat. He goes a lot further in depth but along the same lines as the Evolution video.
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« Reply #5 on: July 27, 2006, 10:26 AM »

It's good to see some other maine drummers on here, I hope to hear from some of the others. I'll try giving portland percussion a call and see whats up.
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« Reply #6 on: July 27, 2006, 12:06 PM »

I like the idea of monthly lessons in a situation like this. If you can get to a place under two hours for a worthwhile teacher, you will still get your money's worth. Weekly lessons are important for teenagers. One would expect an adult student is driven and disciplined enough to work through stuff without supervision.

And, of course, you could always do video lessons with Bart. He's worth the price of admission.
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« Reply #7 on: July 27, 2006, 12:14 PM »

Well, there are always the rudiments.

Make sure you have a click device and practice your groove to some patterns books.  Definitely focus on independence.   I don't know what style you like or all of them but I would suggest fool around with rock and shuffle patterns then throw in some jazz.  You can use "Syncopation" and superimpose lots of rock, jazz and
even latin rhythms underneath the patterns.  Some guys even get into the RH lead stuff with it.

Everything is cyclical with me.  I'm always starting over myself on something.
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« Reply #8 on: July 27, 2006, 12:15 PM »

It's good to see some other maine drummers on here, I hope to hear from some of the others. I'll try giving portland percussion a call and see whats up.

A bit off topic, but it would be cool if everyone updated their DC profiles with their locations!

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« Reply #9 on: July 27, 2006, 12:24 PM »

Thanks for more ideas, I'm reworking the rudiments to get comfortable with the new grip. I was lucky to have a neighbor back in colorado who was a drum teacher and he made notes in the syncopation book with some great patterns.

I liked the comment about just one lesson a month, that could work out because I know I can find a teacher an hour away. Driving a couple hours a month is nothing in the big scheme of things.
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« Reply #10 on: July 27, 2006, 02:43 PM »

I like the idea of monthly lessons in a situation like this. If you can get to a place under two hours for a worthwhile teacher, you will still get your money's worth. Weekly lessons are important for teenagers. One would expect an adult student is driven and disciplined enough to work through stuff without supervision.

And, of course, you could always do video lessons with Bart. He's worth the price of admission.

I agree with some and most of this.  I have a bass player friend of mine that is driving 2.5 hours each way twice a month to play music with me again.  He and I have probably logged 5 years of playing over the last 10 years.  My point is that:  "People do what they want to do".  If you really want the lessons, you will do what you have to do to get them.  The other thing is that the frequency of lessons that you can make is not really all that important as long as you are willing to do your homework and really practice.  I also agree that Bart may have something to offer a guy like you that really wants to learn.
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« Reply #11 on: July 27, 2006, 06:26 PM »

I second (third) the video lesson from Bart idea.  I've been with him for the past six months or so.  He's sent three lessons so far.  Each one is an hour long, and it's all instruction... no b.s. in between.  You can call, talk to him, ask for help, all that stuff.  I live in the boonies too...
Even driving for a couple of hours, I couldn't find a GOOD teacher.  A mediocre one won't help you advance the way a good one can.
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« Reply #12 on: July 27, 2006, 10:18 PM »

I second (third) the video lesson from Bart idea. 

+1.  I highly recommend him. 
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« Reply #13 on: July 28, 2006, 06:00 AM »

Welcome aboard from another Mainer. There are six of us so far.

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« Reply #14 on: July 28, 2006, 11:37 AM »

Welcome aboard from another Mainer. There are six of us so far.

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There's only, like, 10 people in all of Maine. Six of you are drummers? I hope there's at least one bass player. Tongue
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« Reply #15 on: July 28, 2006, 12:07 PM »

Gaddabout - LOL!  At last count there were more than 10, and I've come across a number of bass players, some of them very good too.

Come on up and visit sometime, it is a nice place to live if you can handle the winters.  I've been here about 10 years and still enjoy it
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« Reply #16 on: July 28, 2006, 02:12 PM »

I second (third) the video lesson from Bart idea.  I've been with him for the past six months or so.  He's sent three lessons so far.  Each one is an hour long, and it's all instruction... no b.s. in between.  You can call, talk to him, ask for help, all that stuff.  I live in the boonies too...
Even driving for a couple of hours, I couldn't find a GOOD teacher.  A mediocre one won't help you advance the way a good one can.

Hi Bill,
Are you refering to the VIDEO CORRESPONDENCE LESSON's that Bart shows on the www.DrumSage.com? I have been playing for a long time but don't read drum charts.
I read music but never applied it to drums.  I am thinking about expanding my knowlege
level with some formal training.  Woops, I said it didn't I? Yes I did.  I will contact Bart
and see if he thinks it is the right direction to go.  I also may contact my friend in Louisville
which is highly respected here and see if he can help me with some things that I feel weak
at?
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« Reply #17 on: July 28, 2006, 09:00 PM »

There's only, like, 10 people in all of Maine. Six of you are drummers? I hope there's at least one bass player. Tongue

We let bass players in from NH on temporary work visas. Once in awhile a keyboard dude from Massachusetts.  All foreigners and other flatlanders are invited in on Memorial Day and encouraged to spend lots of money and are escorted out of the state on Labor Day.

Bass Players ? Cecil McBee lives about a mile from me.

Known Drummers ? Les Harris Jr actually lives in Mass. but teaches at the local university. Also gigs here regularly.

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