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« on: February 28, 2008, 01:03 PM »

So after breaking up with my old band, I have an audition for a new'un on Sunday. The snatch is, they want to check my memory by seeing how well I can play 12 songs from memory!
Well, not entirely from memory, I think I'll be allowed a few bits of paper and so on.
So anyway, has anyone else faced a predicament like this? How did they cope? Do you have any techniques to help me?
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« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2008, 01:40 PM »

Just be yourself and do what comes natural. They'll either love you or hate you. Show them who YOU are. I would just listen to them from time to time. The harder you try to be someone else the worse it will get. Twelve songs shouldn't be that hard....That's only an hours music. Good luck, I wish it was me. Then I would make you look better. Grin
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« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2008, 01:48 PM »

See Bart's article under Education-Articles called "tips for transcribing". That may help.
I prefer to use roadmap charts, meaning charting out the verses, chorus, bridge etc, with very simple notation rather than bar by bar. I may write one bar showing what the groove is and then write if the verse is 8 bars, or the chorus is 8 bars, and where the may throw in an extra bar. Is there an interlude between the chorus into verse 2. Notate special hits with the band, dynamics.
This kind of simple roadmap works for me so that I can still memorize a song without relying on a chart and not wanting to look away from it. How much you copy exactly what the drums plays may depend on the band your auditioning for. I would stay pretty close to the original, you own uniqueness will come through anyway.

Listen to the songs and find the places in the song that deviate from the a normal structure you would expect.

Play along with the songs using the charts and then without then until you are playing all the drums parts correctly.

good luck!!

Not sure what style the tunes are your learning, that may change your approach.
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« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2008, 04:24 PM »

Make charts for 2 days (no drums unless you have to work something out) and then practice the other 2 days going over your charts and refining your transcriptions with the tunes.  I don't think they would mind you using charts- especially if you were playing the songs well!

Piece of cake  Grin
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« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2008, 04:26 PM »

I have been through this several times.

Once, on bass, I had to learn 45 songs in 6 days.
[Some may disagree, but I find memorizing material on bass or guitar more time intensive than on drums.]

But, anyway, what works for me is:
- I don't try to get Every detail of song 1 before moving to song 2.
- I do All the songs at once, in layers - first sketching out the basics
  of the song structure, special beginnings, endings, and breaks.
- After, I fill in details as time allows.
- The other part is: if there's any way to listen to your material even when you're not practicing, do so.  If you can use an MP3 player at work, listen.  If you can get a CD put together and use it in the car, listen.  If you can listen while you're going to sleep, listen.

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« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2008, 05:37 PM »

Yes, listen, listen, listen.
I would also write out very simple and basic roadmaps (as Bobhead described).

Regarding the audition, the band would be better to choose the best sounding drummer for the music, than someone who is a fast learner.
Will you be required to learn 12 songs every 4 days if you join the band? I doubt it.
Therefore, just do the best you can. It's possibly a test of commitment as much as anything. But if you knock them out with your drumming, the odd mistake or lapse in memory shouldn't harm your chances.
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« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2008, 11:52 PM »

[Some may disagree, but I find memorizing material on bass or guitar more time intensive than on drums.]

Oh, I agree!

Drums= 2 sticks
Bass= 4 strings

That works out to the bass being twice as hard as the drums.
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« Reply #7 on: February 29, 2008, 02:14 AM »

Oh, I agree!

Drums= 2 sticks
Bass= 4 strings

That works out to the bass being twice as hard as the drums.

Drums: 2 sticks, 2 pedals.
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« Reply #8 on: February 29, 2008, 02:28 AM »

Drums = two hands and two legs.
Bass = 8 fingers max.
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« Reply #9 on: February 29, 2008, 08:31 AM »

Drums - 8ish possible places to Hit in time, depending on the size of your kit
Bass - 20 frets x 4 strings = 80 possible places to Hit in time

Drums - hit wrong drum/cymbal, stay in time -> no problem.

Bass - hit wrong string/fret, stay in time -> still big, big problem.  Train comes off the tracks.

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« Reply #10 on: February 29, 2008, 08:44 AM »

Yes, listen, listen, listen.
I would also write out very simple and basic roadmaps (as Bobhead described).

Regarding the audition, the band would be better to choose the best sounding drummer for the music, than someone who is a fast learner.
Will you be required to learn 12 songs every 4 days if you join the band? I doubt it.
Therefore, just do the best you can. It's possibly a test of commitment as much as anything. But if you knock them out with your drumming, the odd mistake or lapse in memory shouldn't harm your chances.

Yes, first and foremost don't freak out, tense up and worry about every possible little mistake. The overall effect is really the most important thing.

But that being said, while the band would "be better" to choose the best sounding drummer over the fast learner - for lots of jobs and lots of bands, the person that sounds the best  with the band in the present will be the one to most likely land the job.  And often the best sounding overall initially will the one that can play like they know the material. I've landed many a job through being a fast learner and by simply doing my homework - even in situations where it was quite likely that I might not have been the best guy available for the material in the long run.

Anyway - this kind of cramming to learn new material comes up all the time. So Apollo, if nothing else this is a great opportunity to put your chops for learning new songs to the test. And a really good argument for having or getting your "cheat sheet/drum charts" routine together.

Good luck with audition.

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« Reply #11 on: February 29, 2008, 01:31 PM »

one day down.....3 more to go!!

Hopefully its off to a good start?!?
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« Reply #12 on: February 29, 2008, 03:18 PM »

 And often the best sounding overall initially will the one that can play like they know the material. I've landed many a job through being a fast learner and by simply doing my homework
David
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« Reply #13 on: February 29, 2008, 04:58 PM »

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Just a smile?? I think you were just trying to hit your 5000th post.  Wink
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« Reply #14 on: March 03, 2008, 04:12 AM »

Nope.  Wink

Words couldn't be added.
Besides I hadn't looked at my post count until you mentioned it.
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« Reply #15 on: March 04, 2008, 04:35 AM »

I concur with the guys suggesting you create some handy charts to help you learn the tunes. Not only could they help you on the day of performance, but the mere act of listening over and over to the songs, writing them out and reading them back for errors will connect the memory of the song to more bits of your brain. The more actions/senses you can connect to the piece of information you're trying to recall, the better your chances of remembering it. I find that sometimes after I've written a chart out and read it over a few times, I can play the song from the visual memory of seeing the chart. Having to listen to the song over and over to do a good transcription also helps immensely.
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« Reply #16 on: March 04, 2008, 07:22 AM »

Ok, the 4 days elapsed.   How did it go?
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« Reply #17 on: March 04, 2008, 11:39 AM »

I find that sometimes after I've written a chart out and read it over a few times, I can play the song from the visual memory of seeing the chart. Having to listen to the song over and over to do a good transcription also helps immensely.

I've made charts that end up sloppy with a lot notes/corrections during rehearsals, and thought, I should redo this so that its neat. Well, I was so used to seeing it the old way, I missed all kinds of hits because I kept losing my place on the new chart. Whenever I glanced at it for the reminders, I couldn't find where I was at.  Tongue
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« Reply #18 on: March 05, 2008, 10:49 PM »

I've been in this situation many times.  Not necessarily for auditions but to fill in for bands on short notice.  Hopefully you don't have to learn 12 Dream Theater songs, that would be a tall order.

What works for me is that I'll listen to all 12 songs one after the other and as many times in a row until I can't take it anymore.  I'll try to pick up the basics at first and the type of style the drummer plays so that if I don't play a part/fill exact it will sound like something that drummer might have done.  Next I'll play along with the songs and make notes where I'm not sure of something or where I made a mistake.  Most times it's making notes about arrangement or if there is a particular stop or accent or anything out of the ordinary that you can't just wing.

If I have trouble with an actual part, that is when I'll make some kind of note to remind me what to play.  I have my own shorthand for writing out beats in case I need to.  Normally I'll be able to learn everything and not require notes but on short notice sometimes it's better to have notes to at least skim over before a song starts so you can play with confidence.
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« Reply #19 on: March 12, 2008, 11:43 AM »

Ok, the 4 days elapsed.   How did it go?

It's sort of good news and sort of not!
Thanks to all your help, I managed to get the songs right, thanks guys!

BUT...

I really didn't like the atmosphere of the practice, I just clashed way too much with the other guys. So while they were amazing musicians, and they accepted me in, I declined.
But I got in another band that I auditioned for, so it's all good  Smiley
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