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« on: December 30, 2002, 10:14 PM »

sorry ... just very stoked and cant contain it anymore.  i just put in my order for a 22" istanbul agop sultan jazz ride at idaho percussion.

tee-hee  Grin
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« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2002, 10:27 PM »

sorry ... just very stoked and cant contain it anymore.  i just put in my order for a 22" istanbul agop sultan jazz ride at idaho percussion.

tee-hee  Grin

Quick, Mark, make some comment about football! Otherwise people might think you're ... you know ... kinda sensitive.   Wink

Seriously, though, good for you! I bet it will sound SWEET.

I just played a gig on my new Sabian Fierce Ride, and totally enjoyed it, even though it wasn't necessarily the right cymbal for the gig. It was just fun to play such a dark, complex instrument. Now I'm scrounging around trying to find a jazz gig where I can play this amazing cymbal. I may have to start my own jazz group: Keith and the Keithtones. Sound like a winner to you? Grin

Enjoy your new ride, and post a review!
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« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2002, 10:27 PM »

im like a giddy school girl!!!

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Sounds cool, hope ya like it.
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« Reply #3 on: December 31, 2002, 01:03 AM »

Quick, Mark, make some comment about football! Otherwise people might think you're ... you know ... kinda sensitive.   Wink

uhh ... go 9'ers ! win a home run for us! a 3 pointer from the foul line! ... uhm ...

WOO! BEER AND NEKKID LADIES! ... uhm ...

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« Reply #4 on: December 31, 2002, 10:23 AM »

563, I'm kinda in the market for a new "jazz" ride myself. How did you decide on the 22" Istanbul Agop? I haven't played these cymbals. I've mostly been salivating over the Zildjian K Constantinople rides. I played a medium weight one the other night and really liked it. I generally think of Zildjians first cause that's what I've always played (Armand, god rest his sole, would be proud of me). Any other choices in jazz rides that made you "giddy"  Grin? Why did you choose the Agop? Why 22" vs 20"?

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« Reply #5 on: December 31, 2002, 11:10 AM »

well lessee if i can answer all of that Smiley  

i sort of narrowed down to istanbul agop as much as anything.  i liked the paiste trads but they were a little bright still for me.  i liked the zildjian K cons but they were a little bland to me.  and i didnt really want zildjian and they are pretty pricey.  ive heard plenty of zildjians that i thought sounded nice, but never one that had that "magic" ... ive never played a sabian ive liked, but ill have to check out the fierce on kieths recomendation.  so that was it for the big three.  

i played a set of bosphorus ferit hats and got all wobbly knee'd.   id found the direction i needed to be looking.  i managed to play one or two bosphorus, mehmet and agops around town and in each case was just smitten.  so i looked into the two istanbuls and bosphorus.  and found that all three really do a lot of the same things, and have the same manufacture techniques, but have slight variations here and there.  of the three bosphorus tends to make all thier cymbals on the thin side (a good thing) but the other two make thin versions of everthing so thats no biggie.  bosphorus are the most expensive and hardest to get a hold of.   very few dealers really.  so i decided to go with istanbul.  the same ride between isti and bos can have a $100 price difference.  when youre already spending more than you have at $200, $300 is just too much (istanbuls are actually even less expensive than K cons).  

then had to decide between agop and mehmet.  i found more of what i wanted at agop and they tended toward thinner cymbals than mehmet.  so agop it is.  

part of my logic was that all three (bos, mehmet, agop) are all handmade turkish makers.  they use the same materials, same processes (they all learned in the old K plant).  so they can be pretty interchangable really.  since there will be so much variety within one type of cymbal, itd be easy to get a bosphorus that sounds like istanbuls or vice versa.   so practical considerations became more relevant.  normally im a "if its what you want, you can justify the cost, inconvenience, etc" ... but since i could get what i wanted from any of the three, i might as well go with cheaper and easier to get right?

so that was how i chose istanbul agop.  if i find a bos or mehmet i dig, and its reasonably priced ive got no objections to mixing.  im not an endorsee ... yet Wink

why 22 vs 20? well actually im going to be getting both and already have an 18 ... i rarely use crash cymbals.  im prone to surrounding myself in rides (i use three with the band im in)  i typically use a 22" as my main ride with 20's and 18's as my seconds.  as for why i use a 22 as a main, larger cymbals (when compared to a comprable smaller diameter) tend to be deeper pitched, and have more sustain and wash ... which i love.  i dig the humming drone that large thin rides get going under everything.  someday ill get something ridiculous like a 28"  Grin   maybe ill convert a wuhan wind gong into a big flat ride.

one thing you didnt ask about was why the sultan model.  maybe you dont know what makes it special, maybe you didnt care Smiley  ill tell you anyway.  its got a totally lathed bottom, but the top has an unlathed bell, and an unlathed stripe around the middle.  they have thier own vocabulary.  lots of sounds in one cymbal, very cool.  but they dont sound like an unlathed at all, that stripe just adds to the attack when you play on it specifically.  the lathed bits sound like a lathed cymbal.  its kinda wierd, but like having two rides in one.  

as for what jazz rides make me giddy.  well, every isti and bos ive played (not many really) was just butter.  loved 'em.  and my 50's era 20" paiste stanople  Grin   that whole arena is just so varied and personal though.  
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« Reply #6 on: December 31, 2002, 11:13 AM »

Bill,

If you are looking for a cool, traditional sounding 'kinda K', dark ride, please check out the Bosphorous cymbals. I played a couple at a small drum show here in LA as well as heard Stanton Moore play them. Wonderful sound. One in particular was just to die for...

**Hold it ..'to die for'....that sounds like a giddy school girl phrase......

What I meant was it's a LOS ANGELES LAKERS KOBE-BRYANT-STREET-FUNK-SLAM-DUNK BOOYAH!! ...jazz ride

Be ready for a Constantinople price tag though. These are my new jazz wish list cymbals.

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« Reply #7 on: December 31, 2002, 11:20 AM »

....One in particular was just to die for...

**Hold it ..'to die for'....that sounds like a giddy school girl phrase......

What I meant was it's a LOS ANGELES LAKERS KOBE-BRYANT-STREET-FUNK-SLAM-DUNK BOOYAH!! ...jazz ride

LOL!

I think what you're trying to say is:

That ride cymbal roolz like Ozzy!

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« Reply #8 on: December 31, 2002, 11:51 AM »


LOL!

I think what you're trying to say is:

That ride cymbal roolz like Ozzy!

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"DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUDE!!!!!"

Nigel Tufner: "That cymbal goes to 11" - also - "You musn't touch it...no don't look at it.."
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« Reply #9 on: January 03, 2003, 10:18 PM »

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Nigel Tufner: "That cymbal goes to 11" - also - "You musn't touch it...no don't look at it.."

I darned near fell off my chair!

"It's one louder"!

I'll have to use that one on my lead guitar player, he's always quick with a "Spinal Tap" quote.

Thanks cavanman!
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