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i believe my hero Max Cavalera plays one of these (Berimbau) in the song "Back to the Primitive"(Soulfly). can anyone tell me how it's played, background etc?
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« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2003, 12:55 PM » |
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Try doing a search on Google.com.
I've found numerous articles and resources on the instrument in the past.
I play and own one. It's traditionally used as an accompaniment instrument for the Brasilian martial arts style called Capoeira.
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« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2003, 01:35 PM » |
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i loves me a berimbau. made one out of pvc with a pickup in the "gourd"  |
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« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2003, 05:10 PM » |
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how did you make it?
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« Reply #4 on: March 06, 2003, 11:14 PM » |
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if you can find a pic, you can imagine how. they are an incredibly basic instrument. just a bow with a resonator really. 1" pvc and wire. oh, i wrapped it in electrical tape to look fancy  |
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« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2003, 06:06 AM » |
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Good ol' Soulfly, had the pleasure of seeing them open up for Rammstein a few years ago, killer show. I'm sure you'll disagree with me, but man was including Sean Lennon on a Soulfly tune one of the lamest things in metal ever, wasn't too fond of 2nd album. Self-Titled album is just a mammoth, Tribe is a great jam, along with the sing-along-able Umbabarauma.
Glad to see Roy Mayorga back behind the kit, hope he's touring with them too.
I apologize I can't tell you which song off the Soulfly self-titled album it is but Roy's got this great bell sounding cymbal that sounds like a train bell.
Now instinct tells me that's a Zil-Bel, of which i have one, and it just doesn't sound like it, i don't know....
thoughts?
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« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2003, 06:16 AM » |
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Good ol' Soulfly, had the pleasure of seeing them open up for Rammstein a few years ago, killer show. I'm sure you'll disagree with me, but man was including Sean Lennon on a Soulfly tune one of the lamest things in metal ever, wasn't too fond of 2nd album. Self-Titled album is just a mammoth, Tribe is a great jam, along with the sing-along-able Umbabarauma.
Glad to see Roy Mayorga back behind the kit, hope he's touring with them too.
I apologize I can't tell you which song off the Soulfly self-titled album it is but Roy's got this great bell sounding cymbal that sounds like a train bell.
Now instinct tells me that's a Zil-Bel, of which i have one, and it just doesn't sound like it, i don't know....
thoughts?
Lates!
WOW!!!! Soulfly AND Rammstein!!!! jeez... why can't they just come to richmond. and get rage together and bring them too... so who's this guerrillawar wacko anyway? where'd he go? hehe! just kidding! (in case ya didn't know that's me) |
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« Reply #7 on: July 05, 2003, 07:05 PM » |
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Tribe is a great jam, along with the sing-along-able Umbabarauma.
Glad to see Roy Mayorga back behind the kit, hope he's touring with them too.
I apologize I can't tell you which song off the Soulfly self-titled album it is but Roy's got this great bell sounding cymbal that sounds like a train bell. Now instinct tells me that's a Zil-Bel, of which i have one, and it just doesn't sound like it, i don't know....
thoughts?
the bell sound is done with something touching the cymbal, i do it on my ride's bell, and hold the tip and shoulder of my second stick on the shoulder of the cymbal. umbabarauma is one of my favorite soulfly songs. and you're right abotu it being singable, every time i hear the song i sing along. very fun to have a car full of friends singing it as loud as possible!! |
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« Reply #8 on: July 23, 2003, 03:07 PM » |
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Hi guerrillawar,
I'm a brazilian drummer living in LA.
If you want, send me a email and I'll give you any info you need about the Berimbau.
Sorry I can post all info now. I have to leave my house now.
Regards
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« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2003, 10:41 AM » |
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I play and own one. It's used traditionally used as an accompaniment instrument for the Brasilian martial arts style called Capoeira.
Even with the Capoeira looking like a martial art in fact it is not! It is a dance and it is came with the slaves and other cultures we call "terreiras/batuque" like the candomblé and unbanda! Bart did you know that the Berimbau is also used in a lot of other kind of brazillian dance/music like caboclinhos, afoxé, boi-bumbá, bumba meu boi, etc? Well If you're interested I can send you some materials (as I'm sure I won't know the words to describe how it is played and how the rithym is played), songs, videos, etc... Hey!!! I can writte down some of these to play in drum or record some of the lines in a pandeiro line!!! I can tell a lot of albuns and artists who uses the berimbau! |
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« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2003, 06:43 PM » |
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please send anything you can!
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« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2003, 08:45 PM » |
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Even with the Capoeira looking like a martial art in fact it is not! It is a dance and it is came with the slaves and other cultures we call "terreiras/batuque" like the candomblé and unbanda!
Bart did you know that the Berimbau is also used in a lot of other kind of brazillian dance/music like caboclinhos, afoxé, boi-bumbá, bumba meu boi, etc?
Well If you're interested I can send you some materials (as I'm sure I won't know the words to describe how it is played and how the rithym is played), songs, videos, etc...
Hey!!!
I can writte down some of these to play in drum or record some of the lines in a pandeiro line!!!
I can tell a lot of albuns and artists who uses the berimbau!
Mateus, I'm sorry to correct you but: Capoeira "IS" a form of Martial Arts. The teachers in Capoeira are called 'Masters". Long time ago the slaves in Brazil used to train their fighting skills. When the white men was aproaching, they'd pretend that they were only dancing and playing songs. Same is true for the "Maculele" which in this case they use sticks of sugar canes as "weapons". caboclinhos, afoxé, boi-bumbá, bumba meu boi, etc? No Berimbau is part of the traditional orchestration on those styles. How do I know?? well, I do Bart is right again... No harm here... |
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« Reply #12 on: July 30, 2003, 05:38 AM » |
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Capoeira "IS" a form of Martial Arts. The teachers in Capoeira are called 'Masters". Long time ago the slaves in Brazil used to train their fighting skills. When the white men was aproaching, they'd pretend that they were only dancing and playing songs. Same is true for the "Maculele" which in this case they use sticks of sugar canes as "weapons".
Exactly. I think the most humorous thing about the berimbau and Capoeira ... when the cops or city officials are coming to break up the fighting, the berimbau player(s) have a particular rhythmic figure that they play to let everyone know to "scatter" or get the heck out of there, so as not to get caught!  |
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« Reply #13 on: July 30, 2003, 10:28 AM » |
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wow bart! that's really cool!
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« Reply #14 on: July 30, 2003, 11:31 AM » |
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I'm sorry to correct you but:
Capoeira "IS" a form of Martial Arts.
There is two kinds of capoeira until I know, one is the Capoeira Regional and the other is the one (I forgot the name) that came with the slaves. In the capoeira regional the "dance" is "played" as a chess game and a dance, where you have to put your opponent in a position where you could hit him! In the other one, wich I forgot the name, it has its martial art characteristics, the advancement, the grade and everything else, but is also has it's dance characteristics on the games, comemorations and etc. This is what I tryed to say! caboclinhos, afoxé, boi-bumbá, bumba meu boi, etc?
No Berimbau is part of the traditional orchestration on those styles.
How do I know?? well, I do
I'm sorry, but you're wrong... The berimbau is not a tradicional instrument on those styles, however it gained a great "space" (I don't know how to say this) in those music styles, and comemorations (I try to mean party here, as with carnaval). And this is what I tryed to say! On the last two "parties" of the Festa do Boi Bumbá in the state of Amazonas, both of the groups added berimbau players to their teams. Also there are a lot of other artists playing berimbau on the music styles I've mentioned. And their work is great!!!! Hermeto Pascoal some time ago in a TV show appeared playing a song based on caboclinhos music style using the berimbau. Do you guys know Mestre Negreiro? |
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« Reply #15 on: July 30, 2003, 11:51 AM » |
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hey bateradrums!!!
I think I know you!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Weren't you student of Mauro Tarakdian? and Alaor Neves?
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« Reply #16 on: July 30, 2003, 11:55 AM » |
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Did you heared kiko freitas is going to LA?  I don't know what for but some guys told me!!!! |
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« Reply #17 on: July 30, 2003, 02:46 PM » |
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Hi Mateus and everybody,
I just want you guys to know that, really, I'm not trying to be the Mr. Knows it all.
I just happens that this subject is my specialty. I'm a Brazilian drummer from Rio de Janeiro. During all the years that I have been playing drums and percussion professionally, I did play in zillions of Brazilian Music Groups. They vary from Folkloric to Jazz, to Rock, to Funk, and whatever else I could find on front of me. After all I wanted to be a drummer that knows and plays all kinds of grooves.
I did experience the Capoeira thing since I was a teenager in Brazil. (Now I'm a daddy)
Coencidently, as we speak I'm co-producing/engineering a Capoeira CD from Mestre Amen here in Los Angeles. There's many other mestres involved in this recording. Some coming from N.Y. , some from Australia. Although all of them are Brazilians.
Also, in Los Angeles I did many performances in Schools demonstrating all kinds of Brazilian Folkloric stuff, including Capoeira.
I'm very happy actually to see you guys curious about the berimbau and stuff. It is a preety funky instrument.
Mateus, I don't know those two guys that you mention, but I'd like to ask where did you learned all the stuff you saying about the brazilian culture?
Wait for your reply... until then, take care!
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« Reply #18 on: July 30, 2003, 05:04 PM » |
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I'm Brazilian man!!! From Porto Alegre/Rio Grande do Sul Tchê!!!!  Cool to see i'm not alone here! Just kidding! Hey, did you checked out Ramiro Musutto's last album Sudaka?? He is a master berimbau player and he does afoxé, ijexá, fricote and the hell with the berimbau!!! It's amazing!!! Also, for those interested Naná Vasconcelos is a great master of this instrument and on all his work he showed the versatillity of this instrument on every style you can imagine!!! Not forget Mestre Bimba, that for me is the greatest of all!!! Ps.: He wrote a book about the berimbau and its notation that is great!!! For those interested in the instrument Airto Moreira recorded berimbau in the Cannonball Adderley's album Soul of the Bible, and I'm sure you can find it in USA!!! |
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« Reply #19 on: August 01, 2003, 12:16 PM » |
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I can show you what I learned from playing it during my capoeira classes. Or you could take a few Capoeira classes yourself and I am sure you will have an opportunity to learn how to play it. The Berimbau is the main instrument that leads the pace and tempo of the game of Capoeira. Have fun.....C3PO
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