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Author Topic: "Dixie Chicken"- help with drum patterns by Little Feats Richie Hayward  (Read 685 times)
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BigBillInBoston
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« on: July 22, 2004, 08:56 AM »

The above is a great tune and one my current band is working up a loose "cover" version of. I'd describe the basic feel as a "New Orleans Two-beat". The drummer, Ritchie Hayward, does some interesting things between the snare and BD around the 2 and 4 beats which he seems to vary from one verse to another. I'm talking about the last sixteenth note of the first and third beat leading to the down beat of the second and fourth beats. Or to say it another way... the bolded beats in this one measure counting... 1 e an ah 2 e an ah 3 e an ah 4 e an ah.

Focusing on just those two bolded notes and using S for snare and B for bass... in the intro he uses SB, in a couple of verses he uses BS and in the "outro" he alternates SB and BS on two and four.

The question is...am I hearing this right? Also, he's doing a related but different pattern in the chorus that I have not figured out yet.

Any thoughts on what's being played or pointing me to a transcript would be very helpful.

Sorry, can't locate a decent audio file on this.  Embarrassed
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« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2004, 09:21 AM »

The above is a great tune and one my current band is working up a loose "cover" version of. I'd describe the basic feel as a "New Orleans Two-beat". The drummer, Ritchie Hayward, does some interesting things between the snare and BD around the 2 and 4 beats which he seems to vary from one verse to another. I'm talking about the last sixteenth note of the first and third beat leading to the down beat of the second and fourth beats. Or to say it another way... the bolded beats in this one measure counting... 1 e an ah 2 e an ah 3 e an ah 4 e an ah.

Focusing on just those two bolded notes and using S for snare and B for bass... in the intro he uses SB, in a couple of verses he uses BS and in the "outro" he alternates SB and BS on two and four.

The question is...am I hearing this right? Also, he's doing a related but different pattern in the chorus that I have not figured out yet.

Any thoughts on what's being played or pointing me to a transcript would be very helpful.

Sorry, can't locate a decent audio file on this.  Embarrassed
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I think you are hearing it right.  I've always loved the way he plays it on the studio version.  You will notice, however, that when played live (as on the Waiting for Columbus CD), he reverts to  a much more straight-forward shuffle approach, the SD simply being played on 2 and 4.  It loses some of its "bounce" in the live versions.  They even did this when Lowell George was still around, I don't know why they sort of toned down what I think is the best part of the song.  

There's a decent sample of the part you ar talking about at:

http://www.mp3.com/albums/9605/summary.html
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« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2004, 10:36 AM »

I think you are hearing it right.  I've always loved the way he plays it on the studio version.  You will notice, however, that when played live (as on the Waiting for Columbus CD), he reverts to  a much more straight-forward shuffle approach, the SD simply being played on 2 and 4.  It loses some of its "bounce" in the live versions.  They even did this when Lowell George was still around, I don't know why they sort of toned down what I think is the best part of the song.  

There's a decent sample of the part you ar talking about at:

http://www.mp3.com/albums/9605/summary.html

Thanks MudLark  Smiley
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« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2004, 11:11 AM »

I think Sam Clayton's conga part also tends to add a little to the confusion when listening to the studio version.
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« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2004, 10:07 PM »

One of my all-time favorite drum grooves was played by Richie Hayward on Little Feat's "Hate To Lose Your Love".

Man, he built a 3-story house on that tune!  I won't even attempt to re-creat the drum pattern he used on this thread, but trust me, it was nothing shy of incredible.

Agree, Mudlark?

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P.S.  Check out his webpage at www.richiehayward.com/
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« Reply #5 on: July 30, 2004, 06:06 AM »


P.S.  Check out his webpage at www.richiehayward.com/

Nice website, drumz1. Thanks for the link. I knew there was something extra special about Ritchie. Featured on this website is a picture of his drumming hero...SONNY PAYNE  Cool. Mine to  Wink.

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« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2004, 05:51 AM »

One of my all-time favorite drum grooves was played by Richie Hayward on Little Feat's "Hate To Lose Your Love".

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Agree, Mudlark?

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Absolutely!  I still remember buying that CD, it was the first one they had released in YEARS.  Hearing Little Feat again after having gone about 8 years without them was a truly wonderful musical experience.  
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