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« on: August 15, 2004, 09:08 AM »

hi im a drummer from leicester and have been playing for 10 years now. i started when i was 7 and reached grade 8 when i was thirteen. i was trained in most styles and was complimented by everyone who heard me. funk is my thing but i have been in a gigging band since i was 10. i have secretly wanted to be a session musician since i started and especially when i got grade 8 so early but i have always told myself that its just too hard to make a living at. after grade 8 i continued to improve and now i really have my own feel for the music i play . i guess i just wanted some feedback on whenther to go for it and mostly HOW! im now 17 and soon appliying for uni but im seriously considering my options again i dont wana regret not doing it. i got offered some theatre work when i was too young by my teacher but it obviously didnt happen. im not so much doubting my ability (although i will have to polish my reading after not using this skill often after g8) more a case of wondering f its possible to get a dream job.
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« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2004, 10:19 AM »

This is a fairly indepth topic and one that I can't fully answer in just one post.

I would first recommend that you search the Drummer Cafe database for this topic as it has come up on numerous occasions.

Also, if you've not already done so ... please check out my 5-Minute Lessons, especially the one on Session Drumming.

In order to get session work, you have to obtain a certain level in your playing in which people recognize you as someone they want on their records. If you are at that level, then you need to connect with producers, writers, composers, artists, record labels and recording studios ... letting them know that you are seeking session work. If people don't know who you are, you need to have something to give them that demonstrates what you are about musically. A demo CD/tape which highlights some of your best playing is a must for session work. Even with recommendations, often times producers want to hear what you can do ... even if you are regarded as a great player.

Having good reading skills and a solid understanding of a multitude of music styles are two important factors that often times get overlooked. Although some may argue their necessity, you certainly don't want to be in the studio and have to be replaced because you can't read a chart or because you don't know how to play a particular music style.

Session drummers are the cream of the crop ... in my opinion. I think you should keep this as a goal, while spending your time playing with as many groups and styles as possible ... while continuing to develop your reading skills and drum study.

Try to find a professional drum instructor with a strong background in session drumming. That's going to be the best help you can get.
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« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2004, 11:10 AM »

As a 20 odd year session drummer in the UK, I had to chip in.
I don't think anyone can really expect to be to be a session drummer. You can but say 'I want to be a session drummer' and hope for the best.
I can't fault Bart's advice.
I've rarely read any charts in 20 yrs, but I have the skill, I do write my own cheat sheets and I agree with Bart, why not give yourself every advantage (over the competition).
One of Bart's other bits of advice, to be aware of and capable in many different forms of music, is very important IMO.
I think I can only really cut it as a 'pop' or 'alt rock' drummer. Incidentally, I think US drummers are far more capable in many different styles than their European counterparts.....but I digress.
Even playing pop and rock, I can't tell you the amount of times I've been referenced towards some completely unrelated musical style.
As I've mentioned before, I got a long term gig once by playing 50's rock and roll, even though the job didn't require that skill at all.
Session players are most often hired by record producers. It is they you must impress and/or bond with. They most often have a lot of experience and wide musical tastes. If you can demonstrate likewise, you will have one foot in the door to fulfilling your dream.
Going back to my first point.....
If you haven't done much recording, but have the ambition to become a session pro, the only thing to do is to prepare yourself as well as possible. Play as often as you can, immerse yourself in many musical genre's, learn about drum craft (maintenance, tuning, recording techniques etc...).
Then all you can do is wait and hope someone gives you a break and asks you to record one day.
Once you are asked, you may get one or two recording dates to prove you can 'cut it'.
If you can, you are well on your way to becoming a session drummer.
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« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2004, 11:43 AM »

Great advice from Bart and Chrisso.

In addition, I recommend you study the playing of the top session drummers. I grew up studying Steve Gadd, Russ Kunkel, Harvey Mason, and Jeff Porcaro. These days, you need to look at guys like Josh Freese, Vinnie Colaiuta, and so on - check any Modern Drummer magazine to see who's doing the most work. Study how these guys create parts that reinforce different parts of the songs, the sounds they get, where they place the beat, etc.  For many drummers there's a BIG difference between how they play on records and how they play live.

Learn to play with a click and a drum machine. Accumulate and maintain a kit that sounds great, with no weak links in the setup, and no rattly, noisy gear. If you can afford to, have a separate kit only for recording.

One thing to remember: if you plan to move to a big city and try to be a session player, you are literally competing with guys like Vinnie, Eddie Bayers, Kenny Aronoff, etc. I'm with Bart on that: I think session players are the cream of the crop.

In the meantime, gig your @ss off, whether it's live playing or session work. There's a confidence and flow that a drummer can only get from PLAYING, not practicing. Every major session player (with the possible exception of Eddie Bayers) had years of live playing under their belt before their recording careers took off.  So get out there and PLAY.
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« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2004, 11:52 AM »

I moved this thread from my Q&A so everyone can respond.

I've rarely read any charts in 20 yrs, but I have the skill, I do write my own cheat sheets and I agree with Bart, why not give yourself every advantage (over the competition).

Just to elaborate on this ...  

I personally know several guys (not just drummers mind you) who are great players ... but were humiliated when the producer sent them home RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF A SESSION because they couldn't read well enough.

Sure, you can skate all through life and may never NEED to read in a recording session. But what's going to happen the ONE TIME that someone puts a chart in front of the drummer, and the guy can't read it. What happens to the session? Does the drummer get called back again?


It takes a lifetime to build a good reputation and only ONE incident to ruin it.

Everyone should write that quote down and post it in your practice room!

There are countless retired police officers who have never had to use their gun. Does that mean they should know how to use a gun? What about that one time they need to use? Not having constant training and understanding of their equipment ... well, they just might wind up dead one day.

The same applies to session drumming ... and just about any vocation really. If there is a potential element that may be used or come up in your line of work, you better be familar with it. That's why most professionals maintain a high standard by constantly taking classes and getting training to stay current on the latest __________ . The day you show your weakness is the day someone else is going to eat your lunch!

I just did a session last night where I didn't have to read. But it was an orchestral project, so I was tracking hand drums over an orchestrated arrangement (strings, horns, etc.). The arranger wanted me to play a particular figure and asked me to look at the score. Now, if I went in there and couldn't read his score, I would look like an idiot. You think they are going to hire me or want to take the time to teach me what it is they want me to play? Please. They would never, ever call me again ... not when there are other players who CAN read.

You want to make a good living as a studio musician? You want to work with a lot of producers, arrangers, record labels, musicians and studios? You better have, at the very least, a basic understanding of music notation and rhythm charts.
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« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2004, 12:19 PM »

Just to say I felt compelled to contribute from a UK point of view, although I couldn't disagree with any of Bart's advice.
I think reading is much more expected in US studios than in the UK, but......
I was tracking hand drums over an orchestrated arrangement (strings, horns, etc.). The arranger wanted me to play a particular figure and asked me to look at the score. Now, if I went in there and couldn't read his score, I would look like an idiot.
That is a very good point.
I hadn't thought of it that way, but I guess there are countless times I look at other musicians charts to check on what the drums should be doing. As I said, I also write my own (musical note based) cheat sheets to get me through a song in as few takes as possible (two to three is a norm IMO, four or more and you have a potential problem).
Also, if you understand music theory and terminology (inc. reading charts) it just makes it a lot more easy to communicate with everyone involved.
Mr A's is a great point about competing.
I would never normally think of myself in the same bracket as Vinnie, Gadd or Keltner, but it's a fact that if I'm working on a pop album with a standard budget, they will be able to afford any of those drummers if they decide I'm not doing what they want.
Due to the hassle of flights and hotel bills, I'm normally competing with a smaller pool of UK based drummers, rather than guys they might fly in. Tongue
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« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2004, 01:33 PM »

It's always interesting to read from the working pros on this topic, because I can only view the topic from a failed perspective. That said, here are some things I've learned in my lack of success:

- Strive to be a professional musician, not a studio musician. You can't be the latter (at least for the long haul) before you become the former. If you're not sure what it means to be a professional, search for the many excellent threads on the topic here on this board.

- Be serious about the music but not about yourself. It will always be to your advantage to be likeable, positive and fun/easy to work with. People who spend a lot of time in the cramped confines of a studio almost always have that in mind when hiring a session guy.

- Never turn down a paying gig based on money. You never know when that cheapy casual is going to introduce you to the next virtuoso bassist/keyboardist/guitarist/whatever who will open heaven's gates for you.
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« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2004, 08:46 PM »

I knew a musician who had his Masters Degree in music. He could play anything on the charts. But the minute you took the sheets away he couldn't hold a beat for nothing. Put him behind a drum set with a rock band and I would think he was a beginner instead of a master. The guy was only a machine in human disguise.....No real talent, just reading and writing skills. He couldn't feel the beat or a groove at all. Only good for classical music.    Roll Eyes    
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« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2004, 02:19 AM »

I've also run into technical chopmeisters who couldn't play 1 & 3 on the BD and 2 & 4 on the snare in convincing enough fashion to hold down a session career.
A couple or three other factors worth talking about....
1) Location, location, location.
I suspect Langywangy will have to move to London sooner or later. That's when the going gets tough and the tough get going.
Unless you are lucky, you are going to have to endure a certain amount of poverty and rejection when trying to break into a scene such as London, Nashville or Los Angeles.
2) Mercenary attitude.
You just can't pick and choose your work, especially if you haven't reached legendary status yet as a session musician. One day you might be tracking with the next big thing (and proud of it), the next playing on a novelty record, or radio jingle for Duracell batteries.
I'm sure the likes of Gadd and Aronoff have tall tales to tell about the surreal recording dates they've endured. Incidentally, if you want to be successful, you have to play the radio jingle like you're backing Paul McCartney in front of 100,000 people.
3) Sound.
Having a recordable sound is at least 50% of being a session musician. An average Joe drummer who can play in one style, but has a fantastic drum sound will always work. A technically gifted player, with chops and every genre under their belt will struggle if their sound is not deemed suitable for a record.
That 'sound' is dictated by the market, the record company and/or the record producer.
How do you find that sound?
I'm interested to hear other people's experiences.
For me it was a 5 year struggle.
I gigged and toured from my teens onwards and everyone complimented me on my playing and sound.
However, the first couple of recording sessions I did I could see a lot of head scratching going on in the control room. The producer and engineer would come out into the room and agree that the drums sounded great acoustically. I had to admit though that they didn't sound as good, or exactly as I perceived them, coming back off tape.
It remained a mystery to me and increasingly I would spend hours tuning my drums, experimenting with heads and getting more and more uptight as the recording opportunities came and went. My session career was in danger of slipping away. My saving grace was a good friend (record producer) who stuck with me and consistently hired me to play on albums he was working on. It was he who facilitated my final breakthrough.
He hired me to record an album, even though the artist wanted Jerry Marotta. The compromise was to hire both of us.
I sat in the control room and watched everything Marotta did. When he started playing I heard the sound I'd been looking for.
In addition he rattled off four songs in the first few hours of the session. It was an object lesson in recording craft (up close and personal) and changed my life forever.
Initially I just copied Marotta's entire style and set up. Over the next year or two I refined it to suit my own playing, but I never had any more awkward recording sessions from that day on.
Two factors that come part and parcel....
Confidence: It just comes with experience and successfully completed jobs. These days I just don't worry about getting a drum sound (or tuning). I don't think I'm a million times better than I was when I used to spend an hour tuning a set before recording, but I'm less worried about buzzes and overtones and that confidence spreads to the recording engineer. Once they see a chink in your armour, the microscope will come out and every little part of your kit will come under extreme scrutiny. By the time you have a sound you are too stressed and exhausted to perform the job.
Thinking about it, one solution would be to rent 'recording' drums from a reliable source, at least until you know what you need to do.
4) Equipment.
I agree with Mr Acrolite, it helps to dedicate a kit to the recording process. The beauty is, it doesn't have to look pretty, it doesn't even have to be new. Some of the greatest studio musicians are using beat up, old 60's kits.
I think you need to have two snares and a couple of ride cymbal and hi-hat choices at least. I guess four or five snares would be an average recording arsenal. There is always the option however for the producer to rent drums and many studios have house kits with snare and cymbal collections on offer.
Anyway, I'd be interested to hear from other drummers on achieving that 'sound'.
Maybe I just found it unusually hard.  Huh
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« Reply #9 on: August 21, 2004, 06:17 AM »

I knew a musician who had his Masters Degree in music. He could play anything on the charts. But the minute you took the sheets away he couldn't hold a beat for nothing. Put him behind a drum set with a rock band and I would think he was a beginner instead of a master. The guy was only a machine in human disguise.....No real talent, just reading and writing skills. He couldn't feel the beat or a groove at all. Only good for classical music.    Roll Eyes    

And what does that have to do with session drumming? If you are using it to discredit the need for being able to read music ... you are sadly mislead.

And I know drummers who can't read a lick. You put music in front of them and THEY sound like a beginner. I also know drummers who read really well, but if you take the sheet music away, they sound like a beginner. So which is it? How about we agree that reading is a very GOOD thing, but it's not an end in itself. You need to be able to read music AND be able to play by ear. Sheet music can be a crutch just as much as playing by ear can be a crutch. It's only a negative when you LET it be.

So be well-rounded ... and you'll get lot's of session gigs.
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« Reply #10 on: August 21, 2004, 01:34 PM »

Just read Chrisso's post above for all you need to know about getting into session work. It really is spot on.

There is no set career path into studio work but you will have to relocate to London. I got into session work via a series of arranged accidents but these pointers might help: be available, be punctual, be ready to accept that any situation could lead to the 'dream' gig, be as good as you can be but remain economic with your fills, don't be flash, be confident and inspire confidence in others, be able to lock into a click track but still groove, be ready and able to play any musical style, but above all be someone people like to be around in the studio - enthusiasm is infectious.
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« Reply #11 on: August 21, 2004, 08:33 PM »


I think reading is much more expected in US studios than in the UK

I've never been out of the US....But I have considered going to the UK. I can't help but ask why would that be?

Buy the way....I do read music also. But it's rare I've been asked to since I got out of the Army band. Even when I've done studio work I haven't been asked to read charts. Must be because I play mostly rock and country in the sessions? I find this string very interesting. I've always tried to be well rounded and keep an open mind. Good subject, and many good points.
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« Reply #12 on: August 21, 2004, 10:40 PM »

i have secretly wanted to be a session musician since i started and especially when i got grade 8 so early but i have always told myself that its just too hard to make a living at. after grade 8 i continued to improve and now i really have my own feel for the music i play .

So, just curious, what exactly is grade 8?
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« Reply #13 on: August 22, 2004, 01:41 AM »

So, just curious, what exactly is grade 8?

In the UK's music education system there is a system of grade exams. These include a written element, but are largely practical.
Grade One is very easy and is designed for young students to get on the ladder and gain some encouragement to continue. Grade 8 is the penultimate grade (or it used to be when I was young). I think there is one test above it.....in any case, Grade 8 is just about the hardest test and is usually taken by students aged between 14 and 18 yrs old.
It;'s a system designed to measure your progress with the instrument and music theory. Grades attained will also be taken into account when applying for a place at music school (college) or when qualifying to teach.
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« Reply #14 on: August 22, 2004, 01:57 AM »

I've never been out of the US....But I have considered going to the UK. I can't help but ask why would that be?

I think it is just a bi-product of the unacademic and trendy nature of the UK music scene.
The 'best' musicians have traditionally come out of art school rather than a musical training. I'm talking John Lennon, Brian Eno etc...
A lot of other popular bands have come straight out of secondary school (high school in the US) with no specific musical training, like Genesis, U2 and the current faves Coldplay.
The UK session scene is based largely on the
rock and pop scene. There isn't a big session market in advertising jingles or easy listening albums (which are traditionally scored for charts). The only genre's where reading would be essential would be film music and jazz.
The jazz scene is small and under resourced, but the film soundtrack scene is quite significant and second only to LA (IMHO).
I found that I had built up prejudices during my music education which took a while to shake off before I was accepted by many artists.
The emphasis is on innovation and raw talent in the UK (in my experience). It's not unusual for a bass part to 'clash' against the drum part you are being asked to play, or for some notes in a melody to not fit the harmonic structure of the chords (in a traditional way).
This makes the UK scene one of the most innovative in the world. Session musicians have to fit into that mindset, or they will fail to survive.
For example, I spent 4 years at music school and in 20 odd years as a session musician I've most often worked with musicians who know less about music theory than me. I mean people who can't describe chords and harmony, let alone describe what drum parts or rhythms they want. The exceptions are the record producers who are generally very well educated (in music theory, as well as life experiences).
There are few drummers in the UK scene (IMO) who match guys like Kenny Aronoff and Gregg Bissonette in terms of musical education and genuine all round ability.
The priorities in the UK are your playing ability (that's groove, feel and taste not 'chops' btw) and a deep knowledge of many musical genre's.
However, as I said before, I agree with Bart that it just doesn't make sense to neglect such an important area as music theory and reading skills, especially in such a competative career as session drumming.
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« Reply #15 on: August 25, 2004, 08:19 AM »

Further to this, I just notice that Ralph Salmins is running a masterclass called The A to Z of Session Drumming at the Wembley Conference Centre in London. See details here at Mike Dolbear's site, synopsis is below:

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Over the years Ralph has established himself as one of the UK's busiest session drummers with 100s of films and bands to his name including Cole, Bright Young Things, Calendar Girls, Johnny English, Lord Of The Rings: Big Fish, King Arthur, Harry Potter and Bridget Jones, Gordon Haskell, Pop Idol Christmas Album, US Pop Idol, Michael Ball, Bruce Adams Quartet, Westlife, Clay Aiken, The Royal Philharmonic Orchestra, Robbie Williams, Shirley Bassey and Emma Bunton to name but a few. With such vast experience, there are very few people around more qualified to teach you about working as a session drummer than Ralph. Over the one hour session Ralph will cover:

Working a Drum Part from scratch.
Working with a click
Playing different styles and being adaptable
Working with different people
Maintaining your diary
 
This masterclass is aimed at the working drummer, the budding professional or even just the curious! Dont miss this fantastic opportunity to get a detailed insight into working in business from one of the industrys busiest drummers.
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« Reply #16 on: August 27, 2004, 03:21 AM »

Just to talk about the financial side of things (which came up in Bart's Corner).
In the UK there is an established minimum rate which has been agreed by the Musicians Union. I think it's something like £75 for 3 hours work (with a guaranteed 20 minute break every session - a session being 3 hours).
The rate value changes depending on the type of work (album session, advertising, film score etc....). The rates are easy to find out about btw, just phone the Musicians Union.
Once you start working in rock and pop, most musicians agree a price with the producer or record company A&R. Also, once you are established you can name your own price. Obviously if it's high, the producer has the option to look elsewhere.
I most often used to charge per day. Other musicians charge per song. If it was an album I would give them a weekly rate option (including a bit of discount).
Whether you can make a good living at it ddepends more on how often you work.
I tended to charge more, but steered away from the more commercial sessions (ads or tv music). Someone who worked every day - at the basic rate - would probably earn more than me (even at my higher rate).
I would often go a couple of months without a recording gig. So the higher rates I charged actually paid for my 'down time'.
Talking about variable rates and deals.......
I established a daily rate with a few record producers. One day I got a call from a regular client asking if I could do him a cheap deal on an unknown bands' first album.
It's hard to say no in those circumstances, as the producer was a good contact.
I did the work and the album went on to be a pretty big seller. I didn't get any more money for that though.
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« Reply #17 on: August 27, 2004, 06:56 AM »

The rates here in the US are also established by the American Federation of Musicians (aka Musician's Union). You can go to their website to read specifics. Each region of the country has different rates. Los Angeles, New York and Nashville all have their rates ... and being that Nashville exists in a "Right To Work State", the union has little control over who works and who doesn't.

In my own life, I sometimes make less than scale and sometimes more than scale. It depends on what I'm doing, what it's for, who it's for, etc. When talking about Master Sessions, meaning those recording sessions that are for a major label, those are "on the card" meaning union sessions. This is a positive because not only do you get a set rate, but you get the added benefits and perks ... plus royalty checks further down the line.

An example, if I play a Master Session and get 1 point ... I automatically am placed in the pool with all the other Master Session musicians. What happens is at the end of the year, ALL of the Master Session funds are added up ... and each point gets a portion of that. So you see, I get a portion of the $$$ that other guys make too! Kind of hard to explain; hope that makes a little sense. The important part is that it IS a benefit to be in the union when you are doing Master Sessions.

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