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« on: August 12, 2004, 12:38 PM »

Me again asking about cymbals.
I play gigs as drummer or as percussionist, so I use mostly the same cyms. in both situations. My crash cyms. are A's and K's (both 16" med. thin, except for a 14" A paper thin) and ZXT 14" Trashformer. I also have an 8 " K splash and an 18" A china low.
I use all of them, except the Trashformer, when playing drums, plus 14" K Mastersound hihats and a K 20" ride. The paper thin crash,the splash and the china are the only constants when playing percussion. Ocassionally I add the 16" A med. thin and the Trashformer.
What kind of cyms. are you guys using? Models, thickness, sizes .......
I've heard about some drummers disliking to play with percussionists. They say the music feels over played. Maybe they feel their rhythm partner as competence, filling the empy spaces he/she is leaving  Lips Sealed .
What do this have to do with the topic Huh ? Well, maybe they feel us as intruders invaiding their space bubble because we have cyms. too. Have any of you had an experience like this?
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« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2004, 04:43 AM »

You will definately run into drummers that won't want a percussionist. Most drummers are used to being alone, so when they play with a percussionist they step all over you. I have found that unless you play with a drummer that has either a lot of experience or plays and UNDERSTANDS what the percussion does, you're in for a ride.
As far a cymbals...you can check out Louis Conte's web site. He has a graphic on his set-up.
http://www.luisconte.com/
I think Lenny Castro has one also...??
I myself only use a 19" med/thin Zildjian with my tims.
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« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2004, 06:32 AM »

My philosophy has always been to have cymbals that have a quick decay so as to not get in the way of the drummer.

Small, thin cymbals work well for me.

However, for my Timbale set-up I'll have a larger cymbal that I can crash and ride on; usually something like my Sabian HH 16-inch Thin Crash.

I also have a slightly larger cymbal for suspended cymbal work. I play a lot of pop/orchestral type gigs, so there's a lot of cymbal rolls connecting the variations sections of the song. For this, I use my Sabian HH 17-inch Suspended Cymbal. The Sabian HH 16-inch Thin Crash makes a nice substitute when I need a second pitch, or don't have the room for many cymbals.

I would just use your ears ... and let that be your guide. You could use anything in the world, as long as you are being sensitive to the music and use it in the right place at the right time.
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« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2004, 08:01 AM »

Thanks for the replies!
I've seen Conte's webpage before. He is one of my favorites. I have his Cuban Dreams CD, LP Studio Percussionist and Live at PAS VHS's, and some DVD's and CD's where he has participated (Phill Collins, Maná, Caribbean Jazz Proyect, ....).
As a drummer I have played with other percussionist who don't used cymbals on their set-ups. That makes my job harder, because I have to play the rhythm and watch for the empty spots that he/she is leaving.
If I have somebody working with me, the less I would expect from that person is to enhace the music and make my part easier (at least in rock/pop kind of music). If in a latin context, then the roles reverses and I'm the one suposed to enhace and support his/her part (that's if I'm playing drums).
And that's how I see it too when being the percussionist. A few cymbal strokes won't, specially in rock/pop music.
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« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2004, 08:06 AM »

Tomas Diaz, the percussionist with the Clarence Clemons Temple of Soul, uses one or two Paiste crashes in his setup. We have a blast playing together, and I never have a problem with his cymbals. Mine are Sabians.

When I worked last week with Pablo Cepeda, one of Sweden's top percussionists, he used one Istanbul crash in his setup. Sounded great.

This weekend I'm playing with Sue Hadjopoulos, who endorses Paiste - I'll let you know what she uses, but I'm sure she'll sound great!
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