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« on: August 13, 2004, 09:13 AM »

For those of you who can play fast, how did you learn how to do it? And how did you get the coordination to do so? I want to learn how to do it, so I can impress people. Please help me!
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« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2004, 09:20 AM »

For those of you who can play fast, how did you learn how to do it? And how did you get the coordination to do so? I want to learn how to do it, so I can impress people. Please help me!

Take lessons.
Start slow.
Practice a lot.
Be patient.
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« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2004, 09:25 AM »

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I want to learn how to do it, so I can impress people.

oh no.

You should learn to play fast so you will be prepared to play fast when when the music calls for you to play fast.  My opinion.

(See Mr. A's response for the "how" answer to your question.)
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« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2004, 09:30 AM »




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« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2004, 09:46 AM »

What are you trying to play fast? Single stroke rolls? Double Bass stuff? D&B patterns?

There is no short cut to playing fast, just practice. Start slow and work up.

I've heard (and have even read here) that certain people are born with ability to play extra fast while others are genetically destined to remain so-so fast no matter how much they practice.  Don't know if that is true or not though.

More importantly I think that if you want to impress people you need to become a good drummer. Playing fast or having amazing technique is NOT the most important factor here.

Find a good teacher that will show you what it takes to be a good drummer. If you can't afford a teacher there are tons of self study tools out there. If not that, just LISTEN to some of the best drummers out there, don't limit yourself to one style, listen to everything from Purdie to Peart and you'll have a good foundation as to what impresses people.
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« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2004, 10:07 AM »

Take lessons.
Start slow.
Practice a lot.
Be patient.

I already do all that, but I am planning on going to the berkeley college of music, and I will be 16 in a couple months, and I am starting my sophomore year in a couple weeks, so I need to get way better and fast. I also want to enter the drumoff after a few years, and I want to do fast stuff there.
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« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2004, 10:10 AM »

I already do all that, but I am planning on going to the berkeley college of music, and I will be 16 in a couple months, and I am starting my sophomore year in a couple weeks, so I need to get way better and fast. I also want to enter the drumoff after a few years, and I want to do fast stuff there.

Well, sorry, but if you're already doing all that, you're doing what you can. There's no magic way to suddenly get good, or fast, or whatever.

And any time you spend looking for a shortcut is wasted time during which you could be practicing.
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« Reply #7 on: August 13, 2004, 10:39 AM »

And any time you spend looking for a shortcut is wasted time during which you could be practicing.
Right on the money Mr. A....

Instead of trying to learn the "tricks of the trade", learn the trade.

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« Reply #8 on: August 13, 2004, 10:50 AM »

Learn proper finger tech and practice on a pad. Play slow. Learn 16ths, triplets, 32nd note triplets and strait 32nds. What sounds fast are 16ths 32nd triplets also 64ths and strait 32nds. These aren't hard to do at slow speeds practice all this as single strokes then eventually all different types of rudiments.  Repeat, repeat and repeat to a metronome. And watch your hands to make sure they look "logical" in motion. Ask your self is there any "wasted" motion. I am a self taught drummer I'm not the best in the world but I can say genetics can play a small role in speed. If you learn proper finger tech you'll be as fast as any body. Some of these "genetic" drummers somehow can play fast without proper tech, but they're still all out of breath and sweaty when there done. If you have to "twitch" or "bite your lip" your doing it all wrong. Once you got your speed down  like I mentioned 16th triplets 32nds blah blah blah. Apply it to your drums and make up your own fill in patterns with tom and snare. Also get a really loud metronome for playing on the kit. Also remember to play in the pocket. people will dig your fast playing if you play in the pocket. I recommend getting the savage rudimental workshop by Matt Savage. I don't have a teacher cause I realize if you want to learn how to do it you got to do it your self. I think when some people get teachers it could make them learn slower just because they figure having a teacher will make them good. You got to make sure you get good by sick amounts of proper sticking and metronome practice. Get good with both hands by them selves. Get good starting fills with the left hand just like the right hand. If you don't know proper finger tech now you might have to compleatly re learn. I did. I'm really glad I did.
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« Reply #9 on: August 13, 2004, 11:15 AM »

I already do all that, but I am planning on going to the berkeley college of music, and I will be 16 in a couple months, and I am starting my sophomore year in a couple weeks, so I need to get way better and fast. I also want to enter the drumoff after a few years, and I want to do fast stuff there.

I thought this was a good read on speed...

http://www.drummagazine.com/html/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=694&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0
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« Reply #10 on: August 13, 2004, 11:19 AM »

I already do all that, but I am planning on going to the berkeley college of music, and I will be 16 in a couple months, and I am starting my sophomore year in a couple weeks, so I need to get way better and fast. I also want to enter the drumoff after a few years, and I want to do fast stuff there.

Okay, I'm probably wasting my time writing this, but here goes:

You're 15 and you want to play like Joey Jordison by your 16th birthday.  Did I get that right?   Well, Joey's been playing a bit longer than you, so you might just not make it by your birthday.  As far as the drumoff, "a few years" is plenty of time to make some very good progress, IF you practice daily and practice CORRECTLY.  

But if you think that's frustrating, let me share a few things that very few people on this forum have heard me say before.  

I began drummiing less than two years ago, and I was more than 3 times your age at that time.  I say this to put things in perspective for you.  You have DECADES left ahead of you in which to get good.  I want to throw my sticks & my drumkit through the wall every time I read the bio of some great drummer who began playing at age 7 or 9 or 11.  I say, "Why didn't I do that?".   And sometimes I think that I'll never have enough time left in my life to get really good.  But I'm not quitting.  No.  Fortunately, where I live, I can practice at any hour of day or night, and I DO.   And I'll be happy when I attain the status of "decent drummer".    

I don't really care whether or not I ever play out with a band.  I play because I LOVE it and because I can feel myself getting just slightly better all the time.  And those very slight improvements, when I notice them, are a great sense of joy and satisfaction for me.  Yes, I am trying to put together a group with some other musicians.  Hard rock and heavy metal.  The person I'm trying the hardest to impress is MYSELF -- just by being able to perform adequately, for the moment.    

But just think how good you might be when you're HALF my age if you work at it.      

Mr. A is a man who has spend DECADES drumming.  He probably has drumsticks older than you.  And he impresses me every time he shares his experience and his wisdom with us here.  I admire him and respect him and many others here.   And I urge you to listen very carefully to every word he says, because it is the best advice you will ever hear in regards to your drumming.  

Drumming isn't about SPEED.  It's about CONTROL. CONTROL. .   There are no short cuts, and there are no magic potions.  Just regular daily practice.  Drumming is a HABIT that your body and mind develop over time, much like language.  How long did it take you to learn to SPEAK?  To write?  To read?  

You'll get there, but you can't expect it overnight.  Fortunately, you have much more time in which to do it and a much younger mind and body to train than mine.  But I'm not giving up.  I'm just grateful as hell that I am progressing as well as I am.  And I am grateful to have people as awesome and the folks on this forum to help guide me and to inspire me on a daily basis.  

They care about you, whether or not you realize that.  Otherwise, they would not take the time to share their expertise with you.  If you appreciate them for that, then you can do them no greater favor than to take their advice to heart.  

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« Reply #11 on: August 13, 2004, 11:46 AM »

If it would not be a ridiculous amount of "text quoting", I would quote your entire post BVSC.

I just turned 40. Started drums at age 10 through college. One band in college. Was a rather adequate drummer during those years. Got married at 26, child at 29. Played in the ole basement during the "lull". Just "got back into it" last year.  That band dropped and I am now currently in an all original gig (see my other posts for absolutely riveting details....ummm.... yeah.  Grin )

I wouldn't trade my family life for anything, but you do wonder "what if" at 40 years old had I plugged away at it with more "devotion". But no real complaints. Love my band members and what we are creating and I look forward to everything else I will learn from here on out....good and bad.
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« Reply #12 on: August 13, 2004, 11:59 AM »

It sounds like your priorities are screwed if what you are most concerned about is playing fast. Playing fast doesn't mean squat if the playing is inconsistant, your time is bad, you play with no dynamics and we'll add this in for good measure - you sight-reading is weak. Oh, don't forget about playing in the pocket.

What is your teacher working you through with the lessons? Does your teacher have a structured approach that will allow you to maximize the lessons? What are your teachers abilities? Does he/she have good technique which is being passed along to you? You're nowhere without good technique - well you might get somewhere but you'll hit the wall much faster than someone who plays using a good technique (and has good time).

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« Reply #13 on: August 13, 2004, 12:07 PM »

Okay, to add some positive to some of the critical remarks you're getting (including from myself), here's some thoughts on ways to maximize the effectiveness of your practicing.

When working on your technique, be methodical. Set goals, and track your progress. Use a metronome, a tape recorder, and a notebook. Simply going in and flailing around, wishing you could play faster will NOT achieve that result.

Instead, when you work on specific patterns and exercises, always start at a tempo that is slow enough that you can play it accurately, no matter how slow that may be. Find out what your maximum tempo is for that pattern, and write it down.

Do this every time you practice, and you will start to SEE your progress. It may be slow progress, but at least you'll have proof that you're getting somewhere.
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« Reply #14 on: August 13, 2004, 12:25 PM »

Just "got back into it" last year.  That band dropped and I am now currently in an all original gig (see my other posts for absolutely riveting details....ummm.... yeah.  Grin )

Yes, Rhyvven, I had already enjoyed your thread on your band's first "real" gig.  Thanks.   Cool

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« Reply #15 on: August 13, 2004, 01:06 PM »

Alright BVSC. Heres my take on it.
I consider myself to have quick hands and feet. BUT, I am always impressed by people who have PERFECT TIMING AND FLUIDITY. That shows me that they have dedicated more time to the fundamentals of drumming than to impressing people. I recently had a mind shift in this area as well. I have focused on aspects of drumming that require no speed, but tons of control. As a result, I have actually gotten faster. If you are practicing, and keeping it diverse. You are well on your way to being as fast as you want to be. PEACE.
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« Reply #16 on: August 13, 2004, 01:29 PM »

Well said, Ian.   Cool
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« Reply #17 on: August 13, 2004, 04:51 PM »

I'd invest in George Stone's Stick Control.  It will definately help improve speed.  Also, check out some of Marco Minnemann's DVDs.  He's got a lot of insight to increasing speed.

With all that said ... playing just to impress people is the wrong reason to be pursuing music, IMO.  It will just lead to burnout, frustration, and heartbreak.
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« Reply #18 on: August 13, 2004, 05:03 PM »

I'd invest in George Stone's Stick Control.  It will definately help improve speed.  Also, check out some of Marco Minnemann's DVDs.  He's got a lot of insight to increasing speed.

With all that said ... playing just to impress people is the wrong reason to be pursuing music, IMO.  It will just lead to burnout, frustration, and heartbreak.

I should have said it differently. I want to get fast so I can impress people WHEN I ENTER THE DRUMOFF. I am so sorry for confusing you guys. I wouldn't be playing drums if I wanted to just impress people. I do it because I love to do it.

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« Reply #19 on: August 13, 2004, 05:14 PM »

Faster...Hmmm.Well for me ( and I have been playing seven years ) I work ( and still work ) with big sticks,then go with lighter sticks.I make this change every few months.But I also have different stick prefrence at different times.Now you said you want to go to berklee.I looked into that school,and my sister's soon to be husband was accepted there.Fast will not get you in.Playing a groove and knowing how to read and write music will get you there.And as far as I go,if you wanna impress me I would much rather you do a simple 2-4 beat filled with heart,soul,and groove.Speed is good when required but its not everything.And speed ( as with anything in drumming ) takes time and patience.
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