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Author Topic: Gladstone or Moeller technique?  (Read 2828 times)
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Plowboy
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« Reply #40 on: August 27, 2004, 06:10 AM »

Another technique is the finger stroke. Which is using just the fingers. There are a lot of other drummers who play and teach this technique. It is not exclusive to Mr. Gladstone.
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Plowboy
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« Reply #41 on: August 27, 2004, 06:11 AM »

BTW Scott, why not be proficient at both methods? They can be utilized together.
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kolp
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« Reply #42 on: August 27, 2004, 07:51 AM »

Another technique is the finger stroke. Which is using just the fingers. There are a lot of other drummers who play and teach this technique. It is not exclusive to Mr. Gladstone.

Thank's Plowboy for all thoses information you given to us about Gladstone technique on this thread  Cheesy
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Plowboy
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« Reply #43 on: August 27, 2004, 09:34 AM »

You're very welcome. I'm still very much a work in progress with all of these techniques.
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kolp
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« Reply #44 on: August 27, 2004, 11:32 AM »

Plowboy , the finger technique of Gladstone was used Palms down or sideways ?
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Plowboy
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« Reply #45 on: August 30, 2004, 06:41 AM »

The hands are open or in a French grip position, but you can also close your hands slightly if that works better for you.

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« Reply #46 on: November 01, 2004, 04:17 PM »

Open close = Gladstone, Joe Morello called Gordy Knutson on it and he admitted that it was.

It is a useful technique and basically the point of this discussion is to know as much as you can about these methods so @ a gig, you don't have to go "ok, now I'm going to use moeller whips, ok, now I'll use fingers, now I'll use "push pull", now I'll use free stroke"

Just use whatever it takes to make a song sound good and leave your hands free from shock, stress, and callouses.

The Moeller and Gladstone methods best work in combination with each other.

As for fingers, Chapin's Moeller doesn't use them, Joe Morellos "modified Moeller" does. It's how Joe did his "one-handed roll",  It was nothing but accented triplets played as wrist-finger-finger.

Tigerbill said he mostly uses "modified Moeller" in a "Modified French grip" (or what Dom Famularo would call "American grip" on the drumset. The free stroke is to teach looseness and break your desire to pull the stick up when you should be throwing it down as fast as possible.

The G L Stone technique is basically using the 3 levels of the free stroke/Gladstone to create accents. Accents come from height, not force.

Also, to the person who said Jotan Afanador uses fingers, he doesn't. Well, technically he does, because the sticks have to be held, but he uses a "shaking vibration" technique, which he told me @ Tigerbill's recent clinic was a motion similar to "turning a doorknob." He was extremely loose, and I was able to pull the sticks out of his hands as he was doing it. IT works, but I recommend learning the basics first.

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kolp
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« Reply #47 on: November 02, 2004, 09:08 AM »

As for fingers, Chapin's Moeller doesn't use them, Joe Morellos "modified Moeller" does. It's how Joe did his "one-handed roll",  It was nothing but accented triplets played as wrist-finger-finger.

Tigerbill said he mostly uses "modified Moeller" in a "Modified French grip" (or what Dom Famularo would call "American grip" on the drumset. The free stroke is to teach looseness and break your desire to pull the stick up when you should be throwing it down as fast as possible.


Hi domnjozz , you seem Very well informed with the best teacher  Cheesy , about what you said I'll have a question : I do use this American grip you talked and the finger for unaccented stroke , now I'am working on the Gary Chaffe book Sticking Patterns and when I have several finger stroke to do the stick have tendency to have a bad angle , I try to explain : the natural movement of the finger if perfect for French grip not for American grip , to give you a example of how my finger stroke look like when have several finger stroke to do in american grip imagine that , play several finger stroke in French grip, then while still playing finger stroke  turn you wrist to have American grip , the angle of the stick follow the angle of the wirst , so  how to have correct finger stroke with right angle using American grip ?

Thank's    Wink
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