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Author Topic: Your Take on the "Heel Toe"???  (Read 2165 times)
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« Reply #20 on: January 10, 2005, 03:20 PM »

I like the side to side motion for really fast stuff it tends to create momentum....
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« Reply #21 on: January 10, 2005, 07:56 PM »

You will feel your shins burning doing the regular heel up doubles, but that's just because your legs needs to gain the strength and power to do it. Once you build it up, you will be able to shoot off doubles as fast as you please, and the burning will go away completely, as long as you play often. Heel-toe is lauded as some "ancient chinese secret" kinda thing...but really, there's not that much to fast bass drum doubles. Just practice it 15 minutes a day, and in 2 months, you'll being doing it. You don't need no shtinkin' heel toe... Wink
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« Reply #22 on: January 10, 2005, 08:21 PM »

After 23 years of double bass playing just about every day I can honestly say I should be WAY better at it.

I've been working on my heel toe technique- and I have to admit it is taking forever.  The technique (at least as far as I have it developed) just doesn't have the power I need for my rock gigs.  I get at a pretty good clip in the practice room (still developing it) but when I get with amplified instruments I feel the need to play heel up.

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« Reply #23 on: January 10, 2005, 11:00 PM »

Despite the name, you don't actually need to use your heel for this technique. I can't get all of my size 11s on my Yamaha FD either. Use the flat of your foot, then the toe. Check out Steve Smith's DVD for great coverage on this foot technique and others.
I cant do that either cuz when I tryed that about 10 minutes ago my heel hits the floor before the pedal and stops ... if I put my foot up any further my toes get shreded buy the chain
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« Reply #24 on: January 11, 2005, 07:44 AM »

My heel likes it but my toe doesn't.   Grin   Still practing but still can't do it like they show in the videos that are around. I'll keep trying.
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« Reply #25 on: June 05, 2005, 09:30 AM »

One way to work to work on consistency of volume for the two beats is to count & 1 & 2 & 3 & 4.

Your mind tends to make the second beat louder (as loud as the first) when beating on the 1,2,3's and 4's.
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« Reply #26 on: June 05, 2005, 10:32 AM »

Does it make sense that a longer pedal board would help facilitate this method?  I am trying to get it on my Tama pedals,but they just seem too short to get the heel leverage  needed.  Thinking of trying the Axis Long board.                                                                                                                                                                                                  I play heel up and heel down, double pedals.  I subscribe to the right tool for the right job theory. Would like to incorperate heel/toe to leave my other foot free for hi hats.
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« Reply #27 on: June 05, 2005, 02:38 PM »

I've always thought the same thing about the axis long boards.  I have big freakin' feet and my heels hang over the heel plate totally.  The people I've seen really play heel toe technique well on hats and kick drums frankly had small dogs.

Get some of the long boards and let us know.
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« Reply #28 on: June 05, 2005, 03:07 PM »

When I practice, I try to make it a point to keep my heel down.  
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« Reply #29 on: June 13, 2005, 06:41 AM »

its just like a flam on the bass drum...I personally play heel-toe when its needed and either heel up or down depending on what type of music im playing.

eg... heel up for more powerful rock music and heel down )usually) for jazz styles
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« Reply #30 on: June 13, 2005, 07:41 AM »

I've always thought the same thing about the axis long boards.  I have big freakin' feet and my heels hang over the heel plate totally.  The people I've seen really play heel toe technique well on hats and kick drums frankly had small dogs.

Get some of the long boards and let us know.
You might want to give the Vruk pedal a shot.
The tutorial part of the site which shows how exactly it works seems to be down at the moment, but I hope the basic explanation and images will suffice.
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« Reply #31 on: June 20, 2005, 04:02 AM »

One way to work to work on consistency of volume for the two beats is to count & 1 & 2 & 3 & 4.

Your mind tends to make the second beat louder (as loud as the first) when beating on the 1,2,3's and 4's.

thx Rman,

been using this as well as another technique my friend taught me to help me with my double stroke.  I.e. to think of the doubles as "to-DAY".  applied this to my heel/toe.

btw, I've been slowly but surely improving my fast double stroke since the day I first posted this.  thru a steady diet of metronome exercises, I'm realizing that no amount of mindless "noodling" on the kit can really make me better.  rather, improvement only comes with the amount of time you put into proper exercises to really unlock the "heel/toe" potential.

I'm actually using an amalgam of techniques made up of the technique steve smith describes in his video with that of a technique that I read in an issue of MD discussing bass drums and the techniques to play them.

FYI, my natural playing style lends itself to playing "off" the batter head.  thus, progress isnt quite as quick had I went with the "burying" the beater technique.  still, the tone benefits far outweigh the shin pain I used to experience.  and yet, doesnt know if its due to the extra muscle or the more relevant proper technique, but the pain has all but gone away, and it feels like I'm getting faster by the week.

I've been lurking in my own thread in the mean time, and alot of y'alls help is what helped me the most.  tho we always say around here to "get a teacher!", many times, I feel like my teachers are right here.

again, many thx guys!
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