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Nomad442
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« on: August 15, 2002, 02:54 AM »

For many months now Ive been wanting to trigger my kit.  Well just recently I bought an Alesis DM5 with some fairly inexspensive triggers.  I really like the big sound I get out of the DM5 even though most of the stuff my band plays is blues and Jimi Hendrix - Stevie Ray Vaughn stuff.  My lead guitar plays insists I go purely acoustic and doesnt like the big sound I get.  Im also getting grief from another member in the band.  I really dont like the acoustic sound I get from my toms and kick.  All Im trying to do is make it sound better.  Bottom line is that I want to triggers and I know the sound I want.  How do you compromise in a situation like this?
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« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2002, 05:58 AM »

How about working to improve your acoustic sound?

If you don't like the way your drums sound, maybe you should put your energy into changing that for the better. With the right set of drumheads, you can make almost any drumkit sound decent, if not great!

I would have to agree that with the type of music you are playing, the acoustic sound is probably going to be the best. If the band likes your acoustic sound, perhaps it's not as bas as you think.

Just some thoughts.
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« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2002, 06:56 AM »

I would definitely look into tuning up your acoustic kit. Something to keep in mind is that from 10 feet away your drums probably sound different than they do from where you sit.
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« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2002, 07:00 AM »

I would definitely look into tuning up your acoustic kit. Something to keep in mind is that from 10 feet away your drums probably sound different than they do from where you sit.

VERY GOOD POINT ... and one that I try and mention in my clinics all the time. What YOU hear behind the kit is NOT what the audience hears. So often drummers try to deaden the drums so that it will sound like their favorite drummer's drums. They forget that the recorded drums are processed and what they are hearing is not a raw sound. You want the resonance, etc., because that's what projects your sound to the audience.

Get someone to play your kit for you while you step out in front of it ... at LEAST 12 feet. You'll be surprised by what you hear I'm sure.

Keep experimenting!
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« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2002, 09:59 AM »

If it's just a matter of not liking the sound you're getting from your acoustic set and using triggering to compensate, than I agree with the previous posts. You should spend some time getting your kit sounding nice and not using triggering as a crutch.

I think a lot of players (mostly young players) want and expect to get that compressed "album" sound. Triggering is sometimes seen as a way to get that sound, when it can actually have the reverse effect. Unless you're a really good programmer, it's tough to get a great "acoustic" sound from triggering. So you end up with something that may sound nice and fat to you as a drummer, but it's not right for the music (especially the type you mentioned). You may want to think not about what kind of killer drum sound you want, but what the best drum sound is for the music you're doing. I'd start with getting a great sound out of your kit as it is.

If, however, you're NOT using triggering to compensate for bad acoustics, I'd recommend getting better at programming. Start by removing ALL effects from your module's samples. Programming is an artform in itself and would require a novel to get into, and differs depending on the module you have. But removing FX and starting from scratch is a good place to begin.

Hope this helps...
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