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« on: August 15, 2002, 03:01 AM » |
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Just curious how much other Drummers make around the country.(World) I live in Rapid City, SD (Mt. Rushmore area) I make anywhere from $100 to 125$ per person for a 4 piece band.
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« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2002, 08:00 AM » |
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its been a while since ive gotten more than drink tickets and $20 ... im happy to live in a town where i can play the stuff i dig on a regular basis (seattle, avant garde) i feel lucky to have that, but that dont mean it pays 
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« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2002, 03:26 PM » |
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I get paid nothing!! But I dont do it for the money so its all good. I do get a lot of free food and such though, so that pretty much makes it worth it.
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« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2002, 12:58 PM » |
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Just curious how much other Drummers make around the country.(World) I live in Rapid City, SD (Mt. Rushmore area) I make anywhere from $100 to 125$ per person for a 4 piece band.
I used to play in Tulsa, OK and we made about the same, the band now makes twice that though. It seems smaller cities pay better for some strange reason. Or maybe they just spread their cash over a wider area, as opposed to NYC or LA where the big bands get a ton, everyone else gets none.
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« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2002, 01:59 PM » |
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I play in a "3 Peace" (name of the band) Rock band. I walk away with no less than $165 per gig. Not too shabby in my book, now if we could just get gigging more!! 
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« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2002, 04:42 PM » |
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It seems smaller cities pay better for some strange reason. Or maybe they just spread their cash over a wider area, as opposed to NYC or LA where the big bands get a ton, everyone else gets none.
id believe it. i can play a gig in seattle proper and be lucky to get gas money, but get a gig in a little port town and pull $150. i think a lot of it is the typical supply and demand thing. in seattle you can go see a band in any genre any night of the week for the most part. in anacortes (little port town) youll be lucky to see more than a standard bar/cover band, and maybe a folk singer. so people are willing to shell out a little more to something ... ANYTHING ... else.
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« Reply #6 on: August 18, 2002, 11:14 PM » |
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I feel somewhat fortunate I guess living in a smaller town. Cost of living is low so I can get by living off my $900+ salary per month playing. God forbid I should have to get a real job.
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« Reply #7 on: August 19, 2002, 06:48 AM » |
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BAnimalG- just curious, are you not getting more gigs because the demand for gigs isn't there or because you don't take offers for less than 165?
Personally, I am not playing any venues that typically pay- currently I am just playing in church- possibility for something that could pay on the distant horizon as well
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« Reply #8 on: August 19, 2002, 07:02 AM » |
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It depends. Howz that for an answer! Duh! But there are venues around here that are paying 800-1100 for hot original acts. That is not the norm. Anyways did you know that I was reading in the enquirer that Britany Spears has an estimated worth of 60 million? 
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« Reply #9 on: August 19, 2002, 07:22 AM » |
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Anyways did you know that I was reading in the enquirer that Britany Spears has an estimated worth of 60 million?  And a fourth of that is probably from Pepsi alone! I'm not going to give a direct answer to this question simply because I think it's VERY personal. I make a comfortable living ... and I have my minimum that I require to play. If the gig comes up and it doesn't meet my minimum ... I pass. Now, this is going to change for me as I move to Nashville. I stay busy enough here in Dallas that I can demand $$$ and I can be picky. Basically, we all have to decide what our time is worth ... then adjust that to what the music market in our area can bare. Every part of the country is different, every club is different, etc. So, if Nomad442 is really needing to know so he can adjust his income accordingly, only the musicians from Rapid City should be answering ... in my opinion. But as the case here, I think Nomad442 is asking for the reason he already stated ... "just curious" ... and there's nothing wrong with that. I just wanted to mention a few thoughts I had. Sorry if I sound a bit crass, I don't mean to. I just have a step-father who makes a point to ask me very specific questions about my finances and my career. It always seems like I have to qualify for his approval, love and acceptance. So I'm wanting to defend that by saying that an individual's worth as a human being has NOTHING to do with money or material things. We all have value ... and we should never allow how much (or how little) we get paid make us a feel better than others (or below others). I've taken this thread a bit off topic, but it's all part of the bigger picture. Hope you are tracking with me here.
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« Reply #10 on: August 19, 2002, 07:34 AM » |
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So I'm wanting to defend that by saying that an individual's worth as a human being has NOTHING to do with money or material things. We all have value ... and we should never allow how much (or how little) we get paid make us a feel better than others (or below others).
It is tough to live by that creedo though. I think americans are one of the fewer societies that actually place value on human life. Anyways, you are right Bart, none of your darn bizz what I make as a player, but on the other hand, you might not want to move your drums for less than 100 a night. Unfortunately with this bizz you might have to play some low paying gigs before the money starts rolling in....
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« Reply #11 on: August 19, 2002, 07:50 AM » |
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I guess Bartman you are taking my curiosity totally out of context. I was by no means trying to pry in your business. As a musician/drummer I was only curious to see what other musicians were making around the country/world. I guess this was a (touchy) subject and have gotten the (point).
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« Reply #12 on: August 20, 2002, 08:44 PM » |
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I get paid money !
Ask what you're willing to accept as payment. If the amount is not what you're willing to accept, don't take the gig. What we make is irrelevant.
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« Reply #13 on: August 21, 2002, 03:01 PM » |
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I have a feeling it's a personal question if it's about your main source of income; if you're more of a hobbyist, it's bragging rights. Bands I've been in have made anywhere from $12 to $250 for gigs. Chicago's a tough market.
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« Reply #14 on: August 22, 2002, 08:10 AM » |
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IT depends on so many different things, who I'm backing, where, etc. so it's not an easy question to answer, but I do have a minnimal I would play for.
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« Reply #15 on: August 22, 2002, 01:52 PM » |
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I don't agree that a drummer's pay is irrelevant. Ratamatatt
I wasn't saying a Drummer's pay is irrelevant. I was kindly saying none of your business what I make.
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« Reply #16 on: August 22, 2002, 02:33 PM » |
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« Reply #17 on: August 22, 2002, 02:57 PM » |
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Nomad's question was innocent ... and I wasn't trying to come off as a jerk (I do that without trying), but I have to agree with kmgaines on this. Perhaps the question could be worded a little more differently ... in such a way that Nomad get's the basic idea he is wanting, and it doesn't overstep the boundaries of others. Something like this would have been received a little better I think: "What is the average pay for a club date where you live? I live in Rapid City, SD (Mt. Rushmore area) and when I play clubs, I make anywhere from $100 to $125.The way it was originally worded had some of us thinking Nomad was almost asking what is our total annual income! I know that was NOT his heart or intention; he was just wanting to know what the market was like around the country. So we now have some clarity ... right?!
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« Reply #18 on: August 22, 2002, 03:47 PM » |
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Another option in all of this is if you're offended by the question and/or don't wish to reveal such personal things, don't reply to the thread. Kind of like what I'm doing. 
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« Reply #19 on: August 22, 2002, 04:18 PM » |
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Another option in all of this is if you're offended by the question and/or don't wish to reveal such personal things, don't reply to the thread. Kind of like what I'm doing.  Good point.
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« Reply #20 on: August 22, 2002, 05:01 PM » |
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Another option in all of this is if you're offended by the question and/or don't wish to reveal such personal things, don't reply to the thread. Kind of like what I'm doing.  but youre rock star now! you should be bragging 
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Another option in all of this is if you're offended by the question and/or don't wish to reveal such personal things, don't reply to the thread. Kind of like what I'm doing.  but youre rock star now! you should be bragging  Probably more about embarrassment than bragging! 
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« Reply #22 on: August 27, 2002, 10:35 PM » |
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I appreciate everyone's post on this subject. One of the reasons I was inquiring is that someday I would like to get out of this God aweful town and move somewhere where the music scene is a lot better. I love (I mean absolutely love) to play Drums. There is no cooler instrument in the world. As my Father before me I strive to be a better drummer everyday. I just want to know if Id starve relocating to another town trying to play for a living. It sounds like no matter where you live musicians will always be underpaid unless you make it big time. "Will Drum for Food" 
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« Reply #23 on: August 29, 2002, 06:58 AM » |
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We all have value ... and we should never allow how much (or how little) we get paid make us a feel better than others (or below others). I've taken this thread a bit off topic, but it's all part of the bigger picture. Hope you are tracking with me here. Nicely said, Bartman. I heard an interesting term recently.... 'Relative Deprivation Theory.' It works like this....."I was happy and thought I was doing just fine until I found out how much you make"! Some of us measure ourselves against one another as a means by which to calculate success.....and often ultimately whether we deserve to be satisfied and/or happy with ourselves and our situations. I'd rather not worry about what someone else has.....or in some cases 'has not.' It makes me no better or worse (unless I take theirs!!)
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It's great to see you posting again PJ...we were all living vicariously thru your wonderful success in the music bizz (if you aren't doing great, I don't want to hear about it). Glad you have not forgotten about us!
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It's great to see you posting again PJ...we were all living vicariously thru your wonderful success in the music bizz (if you aren't doing great, I don't want to hear about it). Glad you have not forgotten about us!
Felix man -ya make me nervous when you're being so kind ....like the calm before a storm! No really, thanks dude. Your cymbals are holding up well....and sound great on the new recording. I might sharpen the edge on the A custom though so when I fling it at producers it'll start really leaving a mark. Hope you had a great summer in O-hi-o.
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« Reply #26 on: October 07, 2002, 02:46 AM » |
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My income- about 3 AM  As covers band we play normally 3 sets in four hours with 3 ten minute breaks chucked in for $120 each. Private work we charge a little more depending on gig. Were nice to people having birthdays and weddings. Do a lot of free gigs for local muso's club and spots in shows in the area. Travel/ accomodation fee gets chucked in if we have to-dependant on the deal struck. Sometimes we can get meals, drinks ,accom for nil so keep our cost down. Cost is not important but does help to keep gear in order and we enjoy all gigs, though were not in it for the $$$. For the hours spent practising loading / un loading gear and travel you do need a little reward other than the special chance to play.You need to be reasonable and try to get a good business thing happening with the dude paying the $$$ and have some sort of simple contract.Trust- me don't trust anyone when it comes to the evil$$$$.
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It's been a couple of years, but if you want to do original music in the Northern Virginia area, you CAN, but you won't make more than car fare doing it. We made our money playing Moose Lodges, various community festivals and corporate functions (NOT doing original music).
I haven't played a paying gig in a couple of years due to the breakup of the band I was in for YEARS. I know my attitude would change after schlepping equipment around again, but I'd go out and play for very little because the experience of playing to an audience is such a great rush (plus I have a day job so I don't have to have an income from my playing).
I've heard ya..and you ROCK Pops!! You should be gigging!
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Wow ! Hope the irs doesnt read this thread  ... I know some people are sensitive & I respect that, but I used to be curious too when I started out sooooo here goes... lets see, I have played for dinner + free drinks ( when I used to drink that sure added up...) + $100.00 + tips for a regular weekly gig that entailed playing in a crowded bar, & doing cover tunes til the wee hours. Have made as much as $500.00 + drinks & dinner & tips doing 2 gigs in 1 day ( only about 5-6 hours "work") with people who had never met me & I was playing with for the first time. That was a great moral booster. Made $50.00 (+ loads of experience) for each song in the studio for a friends album. ( ironically working for the guy who used to own the music store -Cole Music Sonora ? Anyone ? Anyone? Bueller ? Bueller -I bought my drumset from when I was 13 & getting lessons there.. We laughed when I told him it was like him paying me back.  ) I have done Music festivals where I got a hotel room + money & a weekend backstage pass ( sometimes you can get passes for friends/ honeys) for the festival (Where I have met & hung out with alot of very cool bands like Leftover Salmon - Priceless!!!!) And I have played sometimes for FREE! Thats right FREE! It is very liberating. Money just gets spent, but experience lives forever.. People are also too nice to turn down sometimes. I believe it really depends on how much stock you put into playing & getting out there to make people dance & to groove with others. Experience ( especially LIVE) is PRICELESS!!!!!! Also exposure can take you farther than being so choosy you have no gig. Money is no reason for becoming a musician. And *climbs up on soapbox* ( Not to offend anyone), but if your in it to make money or be famous you are probably sh!t out of luck. Playing out of Love is the only way to be truely succesful. There are some exeptions ( always are) but I have been more miserable with money & a gig I hate or no gig, than I have with no money & playing for/ with people I Love & "fans" who have one hell of a good time listening & dancing. All depends on perspective. OUCH!!! I just fell off my soap box. 
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There's a trick to making money in the music business. You require $250 to play. You require $1000 to stop playing.
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Shoot, I'm just happy to be making ANY money playing metal! I make $70 a night for 3 sets of AC/DC, Metallica, Godsmack, etc. plus a few originals sprinkled in. We're playing out-of-the-way places in central PA, so there's not a lot of money to be made around here. Regardless, I'm having the time of my life & can afford a steady diet of heads & sticks, not to mention a bit of extra grocery $$$$ 
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« Reply #31 on: October 14, 2002, 02:25 AM » |
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Tax man must be lurking, near 400 have looked at this thread and not said anything?. 
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when we play out (when ever that is but not often) the only thing we ask for is all the drinks and food we want and gas money. other than that we dont really demand becuause we dont play out a whole lot and when we do its charished. the biggest gig we've played is a talent show of about 70 people and a fair with a crowd of about 150 people and thats about it, both free though
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If I can add my 2 cents which is what I made on my last gig. I have to agree with the people who believe it depends on your area. Smaller towns that have fewer bands will most likely pay more due to demand. But I've recently learned that in cities that cater to musicians and the industry, where there are a million players, we usually end up playing for tips or enough to cover gas and a few beers.
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« Reply #34 on: October 21, 2002, 06:08 AM » |
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I get paid anything from $100 a night for pub and club gigs, right up to $250 a night for weddings and big corporate gigs.
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