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« on: October 15, 2004, 11:04 AM »

Have any favorites where the particular drummer on a track may have unintentionally goofed a bit, but they ended up leaving it in, and youd miss it if it were gone?

Could be small things like missing a full rim shot in a groove, an out of time or "sour" note. Or something more noticeable like a tempo change.

But it's something that you listen for each time and would miss it if it were not there?

A tempo change example (favorite of mine) is when Carl Palmer comes out of the solo in Emerson, Lake and Palmers classic track, Karn Evil 9: 1st Impression-Part 2, from the great album-Brain Salad Surgery. The tempo slows just a hair from where he is in the end of the drum solo to when they kick back into the song. Id really miss it if it were "fixed."

Maybe its harsh to call it a mistake, one could argue that he "meant" for it to turn out like that. But anyway.

Have any?
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« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2004, 11:17 AM »

In Pride And Joy by Stevie Ray Vaughn, Chris Layton picks up the tempo after the intro. It settles down when it comes back to the head. I've actually started making that same 'mistake' when my band covers it. The bass player has to straighten me up sometimes.
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« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2004, 11:27 AM »

I can't think of any off hand of another drummer, but one of my favorite is when I was playing off-beats on the bell of the ride, kick,and snare. I got really into the groove and gave it sort of an agogo feel, my drum teacher looked at me and said, we want to keep this as white as possible (I laughed, and got back onto a more solid feel.)  
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« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2004, 11:39 AM »

mitch mitchell drops a stick in hendrix's "if six was nine". i like that.
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« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2004, 11:46 AM »

Without a doubt, "Fly Like An Eagle".  There are more clams on there than at Red Lobster, but there are so many things on there that feel so darned good!  (I can only hope to have people say the same thing about my tracks)!


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« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2004, 11:55 AM »

mitch mitchell drops a stick in hendrix's "if six was nine". i like that.
Really?  I never knew that.

If you listen closely to the beginning of Cream's "Sunshine of Your Love", I do believe an errant sound is generated by Ginger Baker throwing his snares on (I think it's on "1" of the second bar).

What sounds like a drum mistake on "One Way Out" off of the Allman Bros. "Eat a Peach" album is actually the bass guitar player coming in two counts too early coming out of the dueling guitar breaks.  

Obscure, but, on "Long Red" off of Leslie West's first album, there is one beat where the drummer absolutely hits the rim of his snare drum (not as a rim shot but as a mistake).  

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« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2004, 12:10 PM »

As current, my favorite (apparent) gaffe comes from Randy Newman's Short People.  It is the missed rimshot that marks the second backbeat in the first verse; the snare part is described below the lyric:

Short people got....no reason...Short people got...

.......BONK..............*clack*..............BONK........

To me, this likely mistake fits even better than if there was a normal rimshot like the rest.
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« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2004, 12:21 PM »

The only one I can think of at the moment is Three Dog Night's Momma Told Me (Not to Come).  During one of the verses (maybe after the first chorus?) where Floyd uses the cross-stick you can hear his bass drum mis-hit.
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« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2004, 01:45 PM »

Without a doubt, "Fly Like An Eagle".  There are more clams on there than at Red Lobster
Really? I can't think of any.
All my CD's are in storage (don't ask), so I can't check.
The beginning of Led Boots - Jeff Beck is pretty funky. Narada is all over the shop and I can't work out what's going on.......but the band all come in bang in on beat one of the song, so maybe it's just me.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #9 on: October 15, 2004, 03:49 PM »

Really?  I never knew that.


yeah, at least i think it's that track. jimi is saying stuff like "i know when it's time for me to die, so just let me live my life the way i want to" and mitch is going mad on the ol' kit... and he drops a stick. then carries on after a pause. i'll dig that cd out and reassure myself that i didn't make it up one day :S
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« Reply #10 on: October 16, 2004, 09:25 AM »

yeah, at least i think it's that track. jimi is saying stuff like "i know when it's time for me to die, so just let me live my life the way i want to" and mitch is going mad on the ol' kit... and he drops a stick. then carries on after a pause. i'll dig that cd out and reassure myself that i didn't make it up one day :S

I'll independently verify that.  I was listening to it yesterday in the car and heard it.  I remember thinking "that sounds like he dropped a stick".  It was very weird to read this post, since I thought about posting a thread on it!
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« Reply #11 on: October 16, 2004, 09:48 AM »

In So Lonely by The Police, the verse is in half-time and the chorus is in double-time.  When Stewie is coming out of the 2nd chorus (in double time) he forgets to go back to half-time for a couple of beats, then recovers like nothing happened.  

Maybe it's not a mistake but I read somewhere that they recorded that album for around $1200.  It's nice to know that even the great ones make mistakes too....like us.
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« Reply #12 on: October 16, 2004, 02:08 PM »

...A tempo change example (favorite of mine) is when Carl Palmer comes out of the solo in Emerson, Lake and Palmers classic track, Karn Evil 9...

Maybe its harsh to call it a mistake, one could argue that he "meant" for it to turn out like that. ...

Hey, Christopher, that particular spot has bugged me from the first time I heard it.  However, the last time I heard it on the local classic rock radio sation, I began to wonder if it may have been an attempt at artistic interpretation imposed by Keith Emerson as sort of a ritenuto (suddenly slower).  Additionally, Palmer did have a tendency to rush, so maybe it was an attempt to just bring the tempo back around.

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« Reply #13 on: October 16, 2004, 04:35 PM »

However, the last time I heard it on the local classic rock radio sation, I began to wonder if it may have been an attempt at artistic interpretation imposed by Keith Emerson as sort of a ritenuto (suddenly slower).  Additionally, Palmer did have a tendency to rush, so maybe it was an attempt to just bring the tempo back around.

Good points. Could be either. Only the shadow knows I guess. (besides Carl and Keith  Wink )
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« Reply #14 on: October 17, 2004, 02:38 AM »

On the Ozzy Osbourne Live At The Budakan DVD good ole' Mike Bordin's stick snaps in 2, can't remember the track might be Mr. Crowley, then he throws the stick the whole length of the stage and gets another out of the holder without missing one beat, pure genius. Not really a mistake i know, but still cool as hell hehe.
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« Reply #15 on: October 17, 2004, 11:43 AM »


Charlie Watts on the intro to Start Me Up.  Brilliant.

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« Reply #16 on: October 17, 2004, 12:37 PM »

On "Smells Like Teen Spirit," Dave Grohl doesn't play a cymbal crash at the beginning of the guitar solo. He hits a crash at the beginning of every other measure in the chorus and during the solo.
Also, i guess it's not necessarially a mistake, but on Zeppelin's "Since I've Been Loving You," there is a sort of squeaking noise that i can only guess is Bonham's bass drum pedal coming back. I'm not even sure what it is though. Maybe I'm the only one that hears it.
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« Reply #17 on: October 17, 2004, 12:50 PM »

Have any favorites where the particular drummer on a track may have unintentionally goofed a bit, but they ended up leaving it in, and youd miss it if it were gone?

Could be small things like missing a full rim shot in a groove, an out of time or "sour" note. Or something more noticeable like a tempo change.

But it's something that you listen for each time and would miss it if it were not there?

A tempo change example (favorite of mine) is when Carl Palmer comes out of the solo in Emerson, Lake and Palmers classic track, Karn Evil 9: 1st Impression-Part 2, from the great album-Brain Salad Surgery. The tempo slows just a hair from where he is in the end of the drum solo to when they kick back into the song. Id really miss it if it were "fixed."

Maybe its harsh to call it a mistake, one could argue that he "meant" for it to turn out like that. But anyway.

Have any?

I don't have any recordings. But my second time that I saw dream theater live(I have only seen them twice) at the Warfield in Sanfrancisco, California, Mike Portnoy threw his stick about 50 feet up in the air, and then dropped it after he caught it. It was hilarious, and even Mike Portnoy himself was laughing.

I would have LOVED it if there was a video or picture of that.
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« Reply #18 on: October 17, 2004, 04:31 PM »

On "Smells Like Teen Spirit," Dave Grohl doesn't play a cymbal crash at the beginning of the guitar solo. He hits a crash at the beginning of every other measure in the chorus and during the solo.
Also, i guess it's not necessarially a mistake, but on Zeppelin's "Since I've Been Loving You," there is a sort of squeaking noise that i can only guess is Bonham's bass drum pedal coming back. I'm not even sure what it is though. Maybe I'm the only one that hears it.

could be hi-hat pedal?
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« Reply #19 on: October 18, 2004, 06:21 AM »

"It's all over now" by the Rolling Stones, Charlie Watts' fill coming out of the first chorus is classic!!

"Ticket to ride" by The Beatles has always fascinated me since the drum pattern changes from verse to verse. Not sure if this is intentional or not but once you notice it you can't stop thinking about it!!!!!
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