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« Reply #20 on: October 18, 2004, 11:50 PM » |
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Charlie Watts on the intro to Start Me Up. Brilliant.
Is this a common knowledge screw up or something? I always thought Charlie did that on purpose as I also thought it was brilliant. Bonham on 'Stairway to Heaven' when he comes in on the toms before the guitar solo. He's late. Lets see if I can explain it...... bud da bum,,,,,,,bud da bum,,,,,bud da bum bum bum 'crash',, it repeats (he gets the second right) and after the crash he starts in on the snare and a fill right before the guitar solo. There and i'm sure nobody understands anything I just typed. LoL! |
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« Reply #21 on: October 19, 2004, 09:56 AM » |
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This is a great topic! I'm going to have to think about this as I listen to some music this week. I know I've noticed mistakes before but I can't remember any specifics. I'm getting old - I have to write this stuff down!  What mistakes were made on Fly Like an Eagle? It's never been one of my favorite Steve Miller tunes. Take the Money and Run, and Jungle Love are much more to my liking, especially from a drumming perspective. |
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« Reply #22 on: October 19, 2004, 02:35 PM » |
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Most of the things I hear are usually after the beginning of a chorus and Steve Miller sings, "Fly like an Eagle...."....right in that hole there. Especially the 2nd chorus...whoa, it gets mad crazy untight. The drums get way on top of the beat, arguably ahead.
The bridge, also. Some of those kick/hihat barks are weird.
The whole performance has a loose, almost tentative, first run through kind of feel.
But that is not even the most untight Steve Miller song. That has to be "Living In The USA".
Whoa. That track is all over the place, tempo-wise.
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« Reply #23 on: October 19, 2004, 03:10 PM » |
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But that is not even the most untight Steve Miller song. That has to be "Living In The USA".
Whoa. That track is all over the place, tempo-wise.
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Agreed. I forgot about that one. |
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« Reply #24 on: October 20, 2004, 08:11 AM » |
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But that is not even the most untight Steve Miller song. That has to be "Living In The USA".
Whoa. That track is all over the place, tempo-wise.
Dan
You think the studio version is untight - listen to the live concert version! |
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« Reply #25 on: October 20, 2004, 09:49 AM » |
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bud da bum,,,,,,,bud da bum,,,,,bud da bum bum bum 'crash',,
There and i'm sure nobody understands anything I just typed. LoL!
I actually understood that. I'm just not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing. We drummers are a strange breed.  |
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« Reply #26 on: October 20, 2004, 11:19 AM » |
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With any mistake, if you do it three times you can call it jazz!
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« Reply #27 on: October 20, 2004, 11:34 AM » |
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I actually understood that. I'm just not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing. We drummers are a strange breed. That qualifies as one very big understatement!  |
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« Reply #28 on: October 20, 2004, 12:30 PM » |
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My favorite:
Carl Palmer has a 4 bar solo to start off The Sherrif (?) on one of the earlier albums. You can hear him hit his floor tom rim at the end of the second bar and say the "s" word.
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« Reply #29 on: October 26, 2004, 07:32 PM » |
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I have a live video of the Who performing Tommy, with Simon Philips on the drums.
In one of the songs there is a shot of him playing a fill, when he gets one of his sticks caught on the bottom of a tom hoop on his upstroke.
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« Reply #30 on: October 27, 2004, 04:56 AM » |
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Simon Phillips.....he gets one of his sticks caught on the bottom of a tom hoop on his upstroke.
It's nice to know it happens to the Big Boys every now and then!! |
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« Reply #31 on: October 27, 2004, 12:23 PM » |
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Yeah... the entrance to Start Me Up always seemed like a goof-up to me.
Also... seems to me that the beginning of Rock & Roll has an extra two beats (or so) in it. Like the band comes in late. Others have written this out to eliminate what appears to me to be a glitch, but it still seems like a glitch to me.
And... every lick Keith Moon ever played seemed to be some sort of accident. Fabulous though....
And... in the Doors' "Light My Fire" there is a gap of space near the end --- right after Jim Morrisons shouts "Fire!," and just before an organ run --- where drummer John Densmore seems to come in with a snare pop! a beat too early.
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« Reply #32 on: October 27, 2004, 12:37 PM » |
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... seems to me that the beginning of Rock & Roll has an extra two beats (or so) in it. Like the band comes in late. Others have written this out to eliminate what appears to me to be a glitch, but it still seems like a glitch to me. No, it just starts on the "and" of "3" - it's an almost note-for-note homage to the drum intro on Little Richard's Keep a Knockin' . |
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« Reply #33 on: October 27, 2004, 12:44 PM » |
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No matter how choose to count it, it still isn't the cleanest of entrances in the world.
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« Reply #34 on: October 27, 2004, 01:16 PM » |
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The only thing that comes to mind is Duane Allman's <R.I.P.> guitar solo at the end/piano section of Clapton's "Layla"---its a little out of key, but the song just wouldn't be the same without it.
As far as drums go, sometimes the unintentional mistakes can be really because its something that you never would have consciously thought of on your own.
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« Reply #35 on: October 27, 2004, 02:11 PM » |
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It's not a mistake by a drummer, but it's one of my favorite "Ooops....okay, let's go with it!" musical moments: During the Central Park concert of the Rhythm of the Saints tour, there was a percussion break during one of the songs ("Diamonds on the Soles of Her Shoes," IIRC), and when the rest of the band (the vocalists, specifically) came back in, Paul counted them in one beat out of synch - his "one" was actually beat "two" (or "four," I can't remember which). Gadd and the percussionists had such a great groove going, they just kept chugging along with the original groove, now displaced by one beat in relation to the song, thanks to Paul. No panic, no juggling to get back "in place," just "...OK, that's where we are now...that's cool, let's keep going!" |
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« Reply #36 on: October 27, 2004, 04:13 PM » |
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No panic, no juggling to get back "in place," just "...OK, that's where we are now...that's cool, let's keep going!" ...and no one had to slink off stage and let the band play into the commercial break? No wait, that's another thread! |
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« Reply #37 on: October 28, 2004, 07:55 AM » |
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This one has always bothered me...
Paradise City by GnR. Right before the chorus, when Axle says "I've seen it all a million times" and the drummer (Steven Adler?) plays the snare on 4 - & it is way early. He doesn't just do it once, he does it every time.
Maybe they didn't use a click in the studio because I don't know how it can be that early every time with a click track.
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« Reply #38 on: October 28, 2004, 08:11 AM » |
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(Steven Adler?) Yes, that would be Steven--- I've got a Steven Adler story for ya: <I think I already told Felix and Joe this story that night > A few months ago, Steven Adler came to town for a show with his new band that played all GNR tunes off Appetite for Destruction---the other members included a guy from Faster Pussycat, and some guy I'd never heard of who claimed to have played with Ratt... Anyway, I was standing by the stage checking out Steven, when their manager came over to me and started talking to me---I had on a Metallica shirt <yes, the original "Metal up your a$$ shirt with the knife coming out of the toilet <my parents ripped up the first one I had when I was 13 but I got another one >. Anyway---he came over and said he used to be Metallica's tour manager and showed me his laminant, I was like, "Cool", and then he put a backstage laminant around my neck and walked off--- So, after the show, I walked backstage and there were tons of bimbo groupies everywhere in line, and the tour manager came over to me and asked me which guy in the band I was going to "do", and I said, "none", so he took the pass back. |
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« Reply #39 on: October 28, 2004, 08:14 AM » |
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Yeah... the entrance to Start Me Up always seemed like a goof-up to me.
I never liked the intro to that song. Something just didn't sound right, but I never explored it in detail, because I wasn't a big Stones fan.  I'm glad someone brought this up. Next time I hear the song I'm going to pay attention! |
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