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« on: October 19, 2004, 12:00 PM »

This may be my first serious message in a while, but here I go. Grin

Does anyone have any tips for staying calm in front of an audience? I have a band concert next week friday. We are playing 3 songs(Stars and Stripes Forever, Phantom of the Opera, Peace Song) in front of LOTS of people. According to one of the the percussionists, all seats are filled and there are people standing.

I may be good, but I still get scared in front of an audience. Does anyone have any tips for staying calm?

Any advice is greatly appreciated. Thanks. Smiley
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« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2004, 12:16 PM »

Take a few deep breaths, do a little stretching, and focus on the chart you'll be reading and your conductor.  Don't let the adrenaline make you rush the tempos.
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« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2004, 12:18 PM »

What audience??

Just don't look beyond the conductor.  You don't need to anyway, right?

Play your parts like you always do (I'll assume you play them well  Wink)
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« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2004, 12:22 PM »

Also, in big venues when the stage lights are on, they're pretty blinding and you can only see the first ten or so rows.

It's what you hear that may rattle your cage a little. Thousands of people applauding in your direction is a strange sensation when you can't see them.

Warm up, read, stretch, do anything but obsess on what's about to happen.

You'll be fine.
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« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2004, 12:34 PM »

My advice is to smile with confidence and play every lick with authority, like you really mean it.

If you make a goof-up here and there --- and you will --- do so with authority.  You will notice it more than anybody else.

Realize that you will have a glitch or two, and be prepared to press on with the piece.

Mentally run through your pieces while waiting, prior to performance.

If you have done your practice work on the pieces, you will do fine.

There's not much you can do about nervousness, except play in public again and again.

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« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2004, 01:16 PM »

This is not an endorsement, but only a comment.  From the New York Times:


Better Playing Through Chemistry

October 17, 2004

By BLAIR TINDALL

RUTH ANN McCLAIN, a flutist from Memphis, used to suffer from debilitating onstage jitters.

"My hands were so cold and wet, I thought I'd drop my flute," Ms. McClain said recently, remembering a performance at the National Flute Convention in the late 1980's. Her heart thumped loudly in her chest, she added; her mind would not focus, and her head felt as if it were on fire. She tried to hide her nervousness, but her quivering lips kept her from performing with sensitivity and nuance.

However much she tried to relax before a concert, the nerves always stayed with her. But in 1995, her doctor provided a cure, a prescription medication called propranolol. "After the first time I tried it," she said, "I never looked back. It's fabulous to feel normal for a performance."

Ms. McClain, a grandmother who was then teaching flute at Rhodes College in
Memphis, started recommending beta-blocking drugs like propranolol to adult
students afflicted with performance anxiety. And last year she lost her job for doing so.

College officials, who declined to comment for this article, said at the time that recommending drugs fell outside the student-instructor relationship and charged that Ms. McClain asked a doctor for medication for her students. Ms. McClain, who taught at Rhodes for 11 years, says she
merely recommended that they consult a physician about obtaining a prescription.

Ms. McClain is hardly the only musician to rely on beta blockers, which, taken in small dosages, can quell anxiety without apparent side effects. The little secret in the classical music world - dirty or not - is that the
drugs have become nearly ubiquitous. So ubiquitous, in fact, that their use is starting to become a source of worry. Are the drugs a godsend or a crutch? Is there something artificial about the music they help produce?
Isn't anxiety a natural part of performance? And could classical music someday join the Olympics and other athletic organizations in scandals involving performance-enhancing drugs?

Beta blockers - which are cardiac medications, not tranquilizers or sedatives - were first marketed in 1967 in the United States for disorders like angina and abnormal heart rhythms. One of the commonest is propranolol, made here by Wyeth Pharmaceuticals and sold under the brand name Inderal. By blocking the action of adrenaline and other substances, these drugs mute the sympathetic nervous system, which produces fear in response to any perceived danger, be it a sabre-toothed tiger or a Lincoln Center audience.

Even the most skillful and experienced musicians can experience this fear.
Legendary artists like the pianists Vladimir Horowitz and Glenn Gould curtailed their careers because of anxiety, and the cellist Pablo Casals endured a thumping heart, shortness of breath and shakiness even as he performed into his 90's. Before the advent of beta blockers, artists found other, often more eccentric means of calming themselves. In 1942, a New York pianist charged his peers 75 cents to attend the Society for Timid Souls, a salon in which participants distracted one another during mock performances.
Others resorted to superstitious ritual, drink or tranquilizers. The pianist Samuel Sanders told an interviewer in 1980 that taking Valium before a performance would bring him down from wild panic to mild hysteria.

Musicians quietly began to embrace beta blockers after their application to stage fright was first recognized in The Lancet, a British medical journal, in 1976. By 1987, a survey conducted by the International Conference of
Symphony Orchestra Musicians, which represents the 51 largest orchestras in the United States, revealed that 27 percent of its musicians had used the drugs. Psychiatrists estimate that the number is now much higher.

"Before propranolol, I saw a lot of musicians using alcohol or Valium," said Mitchell Kahn, director of the Miller Health Care Institute for the Performing Arts, describing 25 years of work with the Metropolitan Opera orchestra and other groups. "I believe beta blockers are far more beneficial than deleterious and have no qualms about prescribing them."

But use of drugs is still largely secretive. "Inderal is like Viagra," a woodwind player at a major orchestra said.  "No one admits to using it because of the implication of weakness." Robin McKee, the acting principal
flutist of the San Francisco Symphony, agrees, saying, "It's too bad we're reluctant to talk about using such a great tool."

Indeed, the effect of the drugs does seem magical. Beta blockers don't merely calm musicians; they actually seem to improve their performances on a technical level. In the late 1970's, Charles Brantigan, a vascular surgeon in Denver, began researching classical musicians' use of Inderal. By replicating performance conditions in studies at the Juilliard School and the Eastman School in Rochester, he showed that the drug not only lowered heart rates and blood pressure but also led to performances that musical judges deemed superior to those fueled with a placebo. In 1980, Dr.
Brantigan, who plays tuba with the Denver Brass, sent his findings to Kenneth Mirkin, a frustrated Juilliard student who had written to him for help.

"I was the kid who had always sat last-chair viola," said Mr. Mirkin, whose bow bounced from audition nerves. Two years later, he won a spot in the New York Philharmonic, where he has played for 22 years. "I never would have had a career in music without Inderal," said Mr. Mirkin, who, an hour before his tryout, took 10 milligrams.

For the last two decades, such use of beta blockers has generally met with approval from the medical establishment. "Stage fright is a very specific and time-limited type of problem," said Michael Craig Miller, the editor of The Harvard Medical Letter. Dr. Miller, who is also an amateur pianist, noted that beta blockers are inexpensive and relatively safe, and that they affect only physical, not cognitive, anxiety. "There's very little downside except whatever number you do on yourself about taking the drugs."

BUT now that the drugs have established themselves as a seemingly permanent
part of the classical music world, some musicians and physicians are beginning to question the acceptability, safety, efficacy and ethics of using them. One concern is that many musicians use beta blockers without
proper medical supervision. The 1987 survey of orchestra musicians revealed that 70 percent of musicians taking beta blockers got them from friends, not physicians. Mr. Mirkin, the Philharmonic violist, first obtained Inderal
from his father, who took it for angina. Others buy it while touring countries where they are sold over the counter.

Stephen J. Gottlieb, a professor of medicine who published a study on the effects of beta blockers in The New England Journal of Medicine in 1998, says beta blockers should be obtained only after a medical examination,
since people with asthma or heart disease could develop problems like shortness of breath or a slowing of the heart rate. "One-time use of low doses of beta blockers should be safe in healthy people," Dr. Gottlieb said, adding that the fatigue, hallucinations, tingling and vivid dreams listed as side effects in Physicians' Desk Reference would be unusual in those using
Inderal only occasionally. The risks are far more serious for those who use beta blockers consistently and take up to 700 milligrams of Inderal a day. Musicians typically take 5 to 20 milligrams in isolated doses.

But some performers object to beta blockers on musical rather than medical grounds. "If you have to take a drug to do your job, then go get another job," said Sara Sant'Ambrogio, who plays cello in the Eroica Trio. Chemically assisted performances can be soulless and inauthentic, say detractors like Barry Green, the author of "The Inner Game of Music," and Don Greene, a former Olympic diving coach who teaches Juilliard students to overcome their stage fight naturally. The sound may be technically correct, but it's somewhat deadened, both men say. Angella Ahn, a violinist and a
member of the Ahn Trio, remembers that fellow students at Juilliard who took beta blockers "lost a little bit of the intensity," she said. Ms. Ahn doesn't use the drugs, she said: "I want to be there 100 percent."

Indeed, the high stakes involved in live performance are part of what makes it so thrilling, for both performers and audiences. A little onstage anxiety may be a good thing: one function of adrenaline is to provide extra energy in a threatening or challenging situation, and that energy can be harnessed
to produce a particularly exciting musical performance. Performance anxiety tends to push musicians to rehearse more and to confront their anxieties about their work; beta blockers mask these musical and emotional obstacles.

Some musicians are also grappling with the ethics of better performing through chemistry. In auditions, which are even more nerve-racking than regular performances, do those who avail themselves of the drug have a better chance of success than those who do not? Should drug testing apply to performers, as it does to some athletes and to job applicants at some companies?

"If you look at the logic of why we ban drugs in sport, the same should apply to music auditions," said Charles Yesalis, a professor at Pennsylvania State University who studies performance-enhancing drugs. But the issue
receives little attention because, unlike athletes, classical musicians are seldom called on to represent big business ventures. "If Nike offered musicians ad contracts," Dr. Yesalis said, "more people would pay
attention."

Speaking from the Athens Olympics in August, Steven Ungerleider, a sports psychologist and the author of "Faust's Gold," said that beta-blocking medications are prohibited for some events, like riflery, in which competitors use the drug to slow the pulse so that they can fire between heartbeats to avoid a jolt. The drugs are banned in a number of other sports, including motorcycling, bobsledding and freestyle snowboarding.

But Dr. Miller, the Harvard physician, points out that beta blockers differ significantly from steroids, which use testosterone to increase muscle mass, strength and speed. Inderal enables rather than enhances, by removing
debilitating physical symptoms; it cannot improve tone, technique or musicianship, or compensate for inadequate preparation.

As Ms. McClain's firing demonstrates, the use of beta blockers by students is a particularly delicate issue.  Those who openly use the drugs believe they have a responsibility to mention them to students suffering from severe stage fright.

"If I'm looking out for the welfare of my students, I cannot in good conscience not tell them about beta blockers," said Ms. McClain, adding that she would be more careful about how she represented the information in the
future.

Some teachers believe that coping with performance anxiety is an essentialpart of a classical music education and that early use of beta blockers deprives students of the chance to confront their stage fright. Robert
Barris, a bassoonist and a co-chairman of the music performance studies faculty at Northwestern University, encourages students to address the roots of their anxieties while avoiding psychological dependence on chemicals. Unlike previous generations of musicians, these students can draw on a rich array of nonchemical treatment options. The new field of performing-arts medicine includes some 20 centers across the country, many of which treat stage fright with therapies that range from Inderal to more holistic approaches like hypnosis, yoga and aerobic exercise.

But several musicians interviewed for this article expressed impatience with these treatments, which can seem slow and uncertain compared with the instant gratification and convenience offered by the beta blockers. "Holistic solutions take work and time to be effective, whereas Inderal is a
quick fix," Mr. Barris confirmed. As it happens, he takes Inderal by prescription for a heart ailment, and he said that he works to combat any soporific effects the drug might have on his musicianship by putting extra energy into his concerts. "No one wants to listen to a secure, accurate but disconnected performance," he added.

Jim Walker, a former principal flutist of the Los Angeles Philharmonic who has recorded more than 400 movie soundtracks, says that preparation is the best medicine. Still, he describes himself as an Inderal advocate, with the caveat that the drug be approved by a physician. Some of his best students
at the University of Southern California, he said, are too nervous to deliver a representation of how well they really play and might stand to benefit from beta blockers.

"It's absolutely legitimate to recommend Inderal to a student who's unable to perform because of nerves," he added. "If I'd never heard the story about Ruth Ann McClain, I'd be far more blatant in recommending it."

Blair Tindall, a professional oboist, is writing "Mozart in the Jungle" for Grove/Atlantic Press. Elaine Aradillas contributed reporting for this article.

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« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2004, 01:31 PM »

I guess it's true...

They DO have a pill for everything these days.

Who'da thunk it.
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« Reply #7 on: October 19, 2004, 05:20 PM »

chew gum! it really works.
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« Reply #8 on: October 19, 2004, 06:29 PM »

In addition to all the great advice.......remember why you play drums in the first place: BECAUSE IT'S FUN!!!   Wink
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« Reply #9 on: October 19, 2004, 07:30 PM »



"My hands were so cold and wet, I thought I'd drop my flute," Ms. McClain said recently

That is the exact same situation I am in, accept I play with a mallet, not a flute. Grin

And while playing in chapel(yes I go to a christian school), I have dropped my stick before twice. I think it may be because I was using one of those 2nd class roland v drumsets(the 2nd nicest ones from roland, with the white mesh heads), and I use rimshots. It only responds to hitting either the head or rim, not both. And also, I keep my snare higher than nearly anybody I know, so that might be a problem. But I have gotten used to playing gradually. In church, when I play, I am BEHIND the stage, so I don't get as nervous. And since 2 of the 3 songs I am playing will have me hiding behind that big bass drum, I think I will do ok. Grin Wink

Thank you for your help.
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« Reply #10 on: October 19, 2004, 08:12 PM »

I've wrestled with some form of stage fright myself all my life.  Even after I got comfortable playing for big audiences I'd still get overamped when called on to solo.

One thing that helped me in a particularly tough (for me) situation was to remind myself that all the people out front are my friends, and are all hoping to hear me do well.  They're all on my side.

Also remind yourself that you know the parts, playing them is not hard for you, take a deep breath, relax, and have fun.
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« Reply #11 on: October 19, 2004, 08:13 PM »

I keep my snare higher than nearly anybody I know, so that might be a problem.

Umm, yeah.  If you're hitting the rim and sending sticks flying, that snare height might be the problem.
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« Reply #12 on: October 20, 2004, 08:13 AM »

I think you just have to get out and do it.  I don't get too nervous anymore and really look forward to playing live.  I just really don't care so much about messing up.

I like a few butterflies... makes me realize I'm not a walking zombie.
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« Reply #13 on: October 20, 2004, 10:11 AM »

...might also try a banana before a performance. They supposedly have calming effects and potassium and I have been told that a lot of musicians and actors eat them to help with stage anxiety.
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« Reply #14 on: October 20, 2004, 10:14 AM »

A couple things might help you here:

First off the most obvious;

Make sure you have taken the time to properly prepare for your part in the concert.
If you've taken the necessary steps to prepare you'll feel much more confident going in.

Keep in mind that most people are not that in tune with what sounds right or not. Especially if this is for the public or parents of students. Most parent's are so happy to see their kids on stage they are not paying much attention to the big picture (can't blame them).

As long as you look like you know what you are doing you'll probably be able to pull it off.

If you drop a stick, you drop a stick, it happens. Just have another nearby, it isn't a big deal.

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« Reply #15 on: October 20, 2004, 10:36 AM »

Something to remember:

Your audience will be there in a very supportive manor. They want to see you do well and are there FOR you and not to judge you.

I think you'll see what I'm talking about when you get to the other side of those 3 tunes. In fact, my bet is that you'll be thinking - "man I can't wait to do that again".

Don't think of the concert as something that's going to happen to you - think of it as something you get to do!

Like others have said, be prepared and go out there and do it. You'll be fine!

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« Reply #16 on: October 20, 2004, 10:56 AM »

I think back to the biggest train wreck I ever started on stage, then think,  "It will be hard to top that mistake."     Grin  
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« Reply #17 on: October 20, 2004, 12:54 PM »

A large audience will usually give a lot of energy( clapping, cheering,
general crowd noise). Take that energy and use it. It will only improve
your playing when you know that the crowd is with you.
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« Reply #18 on: October 20, 2004, 03:53 PM »

Staying focused is important. Be prepared on all counts. For me, knowing that I have my ducks in a row gives me more confidence.

And some mistakes are great. Played a show Saturday night and a stick went flying. It didn't impact the song, but people commented on how far that stick flew. Once the novelty of the flying stick wore off, it was kudos on a job well done.

Some people never get over stage fright. Sometimes people are crippled by it and stop performing. That's sad, because live performance is a great thing. I love the recording process, but there's something about those people in the audience that gets me going.

Have fun!
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« Reply #19 on: October 22, 2004, 05:52 AM »

If the gig is inside you won't see past the first ten rows anyway because of the stage lights. Only giveaway to the size of the venue is the exit signs in the distance. If it's open air at night, same thing. If it's open air during the day then you will see everyone, but that's okay. Biggest gigs I've played were 125,000 and I loved them!

Just relax and have fun. At least you have a conductor!
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