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« on: October 29, 2004, 12:35 AM » |
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I have a A custom crash 17", which bought because it sounded the best of those which I tested (16",17" and 18"), and I only could afford one of them at the time. Now I'm looking for another that matches my 17". But when I tested the 16 and 18 they both sounded a little bit different comparing with my 17".The strangest thing was that the 18" acctually was higher pitched than my 17. I tested the all three cymbals in two different stores... and I also tested another 17", that sounded pretty identical to mine. To me it seems like the 17" has a fuller body and a warmer tone that the 16 and 18. Is this then meant to be or are my unexperienced ears just messing with me?  What sizes do u match? I haven't tested the 19" yet... It could be the one for me... |
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« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2004, 04:50 AM » |
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I use a 17, 18 and 19" A Custom crash in my setup but...
I find myself using the 17 and 19 most. The 18 is off to my left in case I need it for something. I like the pitch difference between the 17 and 19. As far as relative pitches, I always recommend taking in the cymbal that you want to match up to and hitting both it and the one you want to buy to verify that they pitches are where you want them to be.
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« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2004, 08:36 AM » |
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When I demo'd the A Custom crashes I also favored the 17" over the others, so there's probably something to this. Traditionally for me, I go with 16" and 18" crashes, but not this time as I went home with that 17". Really, I was disappointed with the sound of the other sizes.
Maybe it's me, but for the past several years I have yet to find a decent (any series) Zildjian 16" or 18" crash off the new cymbal rack. None of them were close to the sound of Zildjians I bought 25 years ago.
I may become a Sabian convert as a result.....who knows? I discovered the Sabian Evolution 18" crash.......whew, now that's a nice crash!
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« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2004, 09:15 AM » |
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I switched to (mostly) Sabian around 1986. Why? Because I had cracked a few A Zildjians and the Sabians were the only cymbals that came close to duplicating that A sound.
I feel that when Sabian came into existence, Zildjian changed(maybe Robert took some secrets with him?). I would go to Manny's Music and play dozens of cymbals, and to my ears, the Sabians were alive and musical, whereas the Zildjians were "gongy" and were about as musical as hitting a brake drum.
This is not to say that Zildjian still does not make great sounding cymbals, as evidenced by my purchase of a 20" A Custom Ping Ride. Awesome, and perhaps the most versatile ride I've ever owned! But IMHO, Sabian is what Zildjian ought to be. It's so much easier for me to find a pleasing, musical Sabian. It's as if the cymbal's overtones complement each other more harmoniously. Most new Zildjians I hear, IMO, are an atonal wash. I feel that there is less consistency cymbal to cymbal. For me, Paiste has that aspect wrapped up and in their pocket.
Sabian does it for me, but I feel the best Zildjians are the A Customs.
"That's just my opinion...I could be wrong!"
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« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2004, 05:57 AM » |
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I normally go with the even number sizes, such as 16", 18", but while checking the A Customs I found the 17" had the best soud for me also. I must admit I didn't try the 19", which sounds like it was a mistake on my part. I've never gone bigger then an 18" for a crash cymbals. Once again a mistake on my part. I am now looking for a music store that has a 19" for me to check out first hand. This may be a happy experience for me. Thank you for the suggestion. Learning new things every day.
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« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2004, 11:14 PM » |
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i have tested a 17" also, loved too! i also tested it with the new 20" crashes. i really like the combination of the 2. so that is my advice for you use it if you wish but for now im gone......
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« Reply #6 on: November 07, 2004, 02:43 PM » |
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I bought a 16", and when I tried it with the band, I disliked it so much I took it back and exchanged it for a Paiste. It seemed to be a "johnny one note" crash, and I didn't even like the one note it did well. The 17" must be the optimal size for one of those.
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« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2004, 08:18 AM » |
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Go figger! I have 16, 17 and 18" A Customs, and they all sound good to me. I've been using the 16 and 18 for over 10 years now, and I added the 17 about 4 or 5 years ago. I find the 17 to be a bit harsher then the 16 and 18. Those 2 seem to compliment each other well, while the 17 adds a different dimension to the sound. I don't pay enough attention to the pitch of the cymbals, I guess I don't get that deep into it. I do know that each cymbal is my setup to serve a purpose, and I'm quite happy with all of them. Here's a link to a layout of my kit: http://www.geocities.com/anthony_mtl99/legend.html |
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« Reply #8 on: November 08, 2004, 08:39 AM » |
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Boy, that's a helluva setup.
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« Reply #9 on: November 08, 2004, 08:51 AM » |
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Boy, that's a helluva setup.
This from the man who owns a kit Mike Portnoy would have trouble keeping up with!!  Thanks, I think. I actually have it trimmed down right now to a 6 piece (no 16" floor tom). Plus, I've dropped 2 of the splashes and one of the china's. No need for them and it's less stuff to carry. |
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The techniques, though they play an important role in the early stage, should not be too restrictive, complex or mechanical. If we cling to them, we will become bound by their limitation. Any technique, however worthy and desirable, becomes a disease when the mind is obsessed with it.
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« Reply #10 on: November 08, 2004, 01:24 PM » |
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i have 15", 16", and 18". I use the 15 & 16 most, but the 15 sounds more like a splash to me. The 18 is just too heavy/dark, so i'll probably try the 17"
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