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« on: November 03, 2004, 11:56 AM »

When I was leaning to drum, my percussion teacher (Alan Gaskin, if any of you are from Halifax, NS) used to invent percussion parts for ensemble using everything from wheel rims (with a ball peen hammer) to slapping two bits of broken bamboo together.

Since then, I've had this fascination with drumming on everything to see if I can get a "new" sound. I'm sure this is how someone introduced the cowbell to music! (oh, and by the way, it's good, but it needs....more cowbell!)

What have you "created" for your kit/sound?

On my kit I have used the following:

-two heavy gauge mixing bowls (6" and 8") mounted above cymbals
-a fire bell (let's just say...not a *purchased* fire bell...)
-2 saw blade stabilizers, stacked (6" discs to stabilize a table saw blade)
-I once had an entire octave of yoghurt containers, inverted, but they didn't last long...plastic ain't what it used to be.

And for "sticks"
--bamboo skewers (For the bbq) that have been epoxied into a broken drumstick shank and taped for stability)
--a plastic whisk...of the kitchen variety
--broken sticks with plastic "fans" on the end (made from an old antifreeze container)

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« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2004, 12:06 PM »

On the kit:

copper flour canister, about 8 cups Wink
12" brass serving tray

sticks:

various bamboo devices made from plant stakes
a couple dowel devices

hand percussion:

13" terra cotta planter tray (as frame drum)
15" stainless steel serving tray (as frame drum)
4" diameter x 12" high decorative planter (as canister drum)
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« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2004, 12:37 PM »

Not too much on the kit, but in terms of "found objects as percussion:

• saw blade (the kind for a radial arm saw) - great ride cymbal bell sound
• (spent!) military shell casings
• (multiple) house keys strung up as wind chimes
• bundt cake pans (my wife won't go to kitchen stores with me any more)

And this one isn't mine - a builder in Iceland has crafted a few snare drums using car wheels as shells.  Fun stuff, at least for drum geeks like me.  Wink

link to page with picture of shell and lugs

link to page with sound file - doesn't sound bad, IMHO

and another one with pic's

(The links take you to the ghostnote.net forums.)
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« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2004, 12:45 PM »

I've used various sizes and typs of stiff plastic tubing on cymbals and toms.  Also struck and then lowered a 16" tam-tam into a tub of water onstage to get a cool pitch-bend effect.

Does this count as "odd" percussion?  It's a musical comedy group I perform with for charity a few times a year. . .

http://www.stlukespr.org/stlukesbottleband.html


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« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2004, 12:55 PM »

And for "sticks"
--bamboo skewers (For the bbq) that have been epoxied into a broken drumstick shank and taped for stability)
--a plastic whisk...of the kitchen variety
--broken sticks with plastic "fans" on the end (made from an old antifreeze container)

Jonathan

Cool.  Add to this a plastic or wooden paint stirring tool.  Played with either the flat wide orientation to get a slap, or the edge to get more of a stick sound.  

And... the cardboard coat hanger pant protector things.  Soft sounds.  Don't last long though.  Wink

Also...  rods played on your knee simulate a regular stick played on the closed hi-hat.  Well, sort-of.

Kitchen grater and a wire whisk as a scraper.  You get four different scraping sounds!

Stove burner bowls and rings.

And when I was a kid, metal trash can lids made "good" cymbals.

Strings of wife's beads (you need to remove about about three beads per one remaining to get a good vibration sustain) on a cymbal as a sizzler.  Not nearly as good as a stainless steel rivet though.

Wood blocks with sandpaper attached.

Bare hands.  Bare hands on a cymbal are felt mallets.  Bare hands on a snare thrown off is a conga or bongo.  Sorta.

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« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2004, 01:42 PM »

And when I was a kid, metal trash can lids made "good" cymbals.

For adults, too!

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« Reply #6 on: November 03, 2004, 03:05 PM »

We used a steel piece of railroad track struck with a hammer for anvil parts in HS band.  I have heard of an orchestra in my hometown used a shot gun (with blanks) fired into a coffee can to reproduce (with iffy results) the cannons in the 1812 Overture.  I accompianed a modern dance piece with an ensemble of toy instruments.  I played brushes on a cylindrical oatmeal carton as a 'snare', played a toy xylophone, blew a plastic whistle, rang a bike bell, and the piece de resistance was my Barney electronic bongos that we rigged with a 1/4 inch jack so that I could run it through effects and an amp.   All were bought at Toys R Us, pretty much.  I did another performance art piece where I rigged a large wooden shipping crate with a kick drum mike that I stomped on while I played beribau on top of it.  Not really a percussion instrument, but I also know a really expert syringe player (plays it like a flute).  I also play a mean sauce pan, I've been told.    
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« Reply #7 on: November 10, 2004, 10:09 AM »

Great ideas....I forgot to mention that I have also added a bathtub drain plug chain (the little beaded chains) to my ride to provide a reasonable (and totally reversible) "sizzle" effect.   Actually, I might have come up with that only after reading a post in DC?

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« Reply #8 on: November 10, 2004, 12:58 PM »

I've seen that a couple of times lately. Seems very handy/reversible trick.

Promark is selling a cym. stand washer with the beads chain already attached.
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« Reply #9 on: November 10, 2004, 01:21 PM »

I've seen that a couple of times lately. Seems very handy/reversible trick.

Promark is selling a cym. stand washer with the beads chain already attached.


Or you could simply use Bart's trick, with a piece of cellophane tape and a nickel:

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« Reply #10 on: November 10, 2004, 01:50 PM »

That's a very cool idea! Not good-looking, but cool any way.

As I'm seeing it, that could represent an added value to any set up Grin
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« Reply #11 on: November 12, 2004, 06:56 AM »

Me and a friend took the frame out of a small piano, ran a pickup through the strings, mounted it on top of an amp, covered it with cowbells and bottles and put a mic over the top. The pickup went throught the amp and you could hear the tones from the strings and the top mic picked up the rattles and clangs from the stuff on top.
We called it the "bangaphone".
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« Reply #12 on: November 13, 2004, 01:25 PM »

I use wind chimes. On my big kit, in conjunction with a 40" Sabian Chinese gong, I have a large bamboo wind chime and three metal tubular wind chimes. One of the metal chimes is bronze, quite noisy cacophonic. The other two chimes are mellow, the biggest being 2" diameter aluminum which resonates for a long time. Also hanging around the central gong is a variety of indian brass bells and zils, a rack chime, and a bell tree, all of which are more traditional percussion than the wind chimes, but combined, all these sounds can keep me entertained playing them for 1/2 hour stretches. I really dig 'em, and my cats can come and play them too, usually in the middle of the night.

Oh, one last thing, I rigged a fan up on a timer, and now I can wake up to the sound of wind chimes.

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« Reply #13 on: November 19, 2004, 04:49 PM »

i have used 2.5 and 5lb weights (dumbbell-disc type) as sort of a crotale....each one sounds different, and they are mega-cheap.   granted they arent loud, but you get a cool stick sound, check it out!
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« Reply #14 on: November 19, 2004, 04:52 PM »

Here is a great link to get some ideas: http://rhythmweb.com/homemade/index.html

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« Reply #15 on: November 30, 2004, 02:30 PM »

This is soooo great!  I haven't added anything like this to my regular kit but I have found that one can get a great many tones and sounds from any cardboard box that happens to be hanging around - open and closed slaps, high and low open tones - the whole range is there if you don't hit too hard.  This has come in handy on some of those impromptu party sing-alongs.   Should I mention that some of these boxes were from the beers that we were consuming at the time?  Nah.  I won't tell anybody that part.  ;-)
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« Reply #16 on: December 23, 2004, 01:24 PM »

Hi everyone, I'm new to these forums...  
Presently I don't play a "proper" drumset, just odd bits of percussion and found sounds miked and routed through a modular synth.  
At present I'm using:
3 spring coils (from vehicles and bed box-springs)
5 graduated steel mixing bowls
3 medium-sized clay flowerpots (suspended and struck with soft mallets)
an assortment of ceramic and metal plates
some "squeaky" kids' toys
several bells (presumably meant for decorative purposes)
bamboo and metal windchimes

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« Reply #17 on: December 23, 2004, 01:48 PM »

Welcome.

An interesting mix of stuff.  What do you do with it?
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« Reply #18 on: December 24, 2004, 12:23 PM »

Me and a friend took the frame out of a small piano, ran a pickup through the strings, mounted it on top of an amp, covered it with cowbells and bottles and put a mic over the top. The pickup went throught the amp and you could hear the tones from the strings and the top mic picked up the rattles and clangs from the stuff on top.
We called it the "bangaphone".

That's awesome...   Cool  Do you have any recordings or pics of this monster?
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« Reply #19 on: December 24, 2004, 12:39 PM »

Welcome.

An interesting mix of stuff.  What do you do with it?

I make improvised music (mostly ambient/drone/noise) with several other musicians I know.  (I also play synths, organ, prepared guitar, reed/bamboo flutes and some other odd bits.)  Unfortunately our studio space is crammed full of stuff-- it's very rare that I can set everything up at once-- so I'll usually select a few sounds and maybe switch things in and out over the course of the piece.  Right now I'm looking to remedy my microphone situation since all I have at my disposal are a few SM57s-- fine for other stuff but crap for picking up my metals.  I have my eye on a couple condenser mics (come on, Santa!) and am building a couple contact mics as well...  
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