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« on: November 05, 2004, 05:33 PM »

I noticed this problem a long time ago. I know room acoustics affect drums. All my drums sound good in my small room except for my bass drum. I have no idea why. I just got an aquarian regulator head(I have a superkick 3 batter). I also like to occasionally wipe the bearing edge and complete inside of the shell with a wet towel before putting heads back on the drum(to get some of the dust out). Could this have affected the sound? Is it the heads? Or is it the biggest suspicion that I have, the room? The bass is the biggest by far, and could it be because it wants to be able to resonate better(and be in a big room). Please, help! Having a kick sound that I don't want makes me feel like I am not a good drummer.
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« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2004, 05:43 PM »

Without being able to actually hear the drum, it's hard to be exact ... but your suspicions are probably correct ... it's the room.

Low frequency wave forms require space in order to fully develop. If in a large room you can hear a difference when you stand close to the Kick drum versus far away. The same goes for Bass amps; the best sound is typically 6-8 feet in front of the bass cabinet.

Take the Kick drum out of the small space and put it in a big room ... then PLAY IT!!!

Hear the difference?

Good tuning can really make the drum sound a LOT better! I personally can't comment further, in regards to your tuning, because I haven't heard the drum.
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« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2004, 06:11 PM »

Without being able to actually hear the drum, it's hard to be exact ... but your suspicions are probably correct ... it's the room.

Low frequency wave forms require space in order to fully develop. If in a large room you can hear a difference when you stand close to the Kick drum versus far away. The same goes for Bass amps; the best sound is typically 6-8 feet in front of the bass cabinet.

Take the Kick drum out of the small space and put it in a big room ... then PLAY IT!!!

Hear the difference?

Good tuning can really make the drum sound a LOT better! I personally can't comment further, in regards to your tuning, because I haven't heard the drum.



I think my room is way too small to handle my kick's immense power(I have a rockstar custom, and they project really well).

What you just said was quite interesting. Perhaps this is why a bass drum sounds better far away than up close. I just wish I could always play in a gym, so my drums would always sound good. I hate it when my drums sound crappy just because of the room acoustics. I sometimes think the drums are the problem, and that is VERY infuriating and VERY misleading. You know what I mean?

And I know how to tune good. I practiced for hours at a time over the past couple years, and that developed my ear and tuning skills and abilities.

My kick and rest of my drums sound excellent in a venue almost no matter what. You(Bart and the rest of you) would most likely think my drums are very good sounding in a venue if you heard them in a gymnasium. Thank's for your help.

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« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2004, 09:58 AM »

BUY THE ROLAND TD20 HAHA!
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« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2004, 11:09 AM »

Low frequency wave forms require space in order to fully develop. If in a large room you can hear a difference when you stand close to the Kick drum versus far away. The same goes for Bass amps; the best sound is typically 6-8 feet in front of the bass cabinet.

I'd agree.  To validate this, go get yourself a pair of those sound isolation ear muffs (whatever you call 'em... what they sell at gun shops for ear protection).  They're cheap, about $10, and they work great for this application, not to mention protecting your eardrums.

I use these whenever I play at home in my small drum room.  You'll be surprised what your drums sound like.  In fact, I frequently use them when I tune my drums.  It gives the effect of being twenty feet away.  The high freq energy will be damped considerably (that's what can damage your ears).
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« Reply #5 on: November 10, 2004, 11:57 AM »

also just wondering how big of a hole you have in the front head....the bigger the hole the more the attack of the beater will be heard.
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« Reply #6 on: November 10, 2004, 09:19 PM »

I'd agree.  To validate this, go get yourself a pair of those sound isolation ear muffs (whatever you call 'em... what they sell at gun shops for ear protection).  They're cheap, about $10, and they work great for this application, not to mention protecting your eardrums.

I use these whenever I play at home in my small drum room.  You'll be surprised what your drums sound like.  In fact, I frequently use them when I tune my drums.  It gives the effect of being twenty feet away.  The high freq energy will be damped considerably (that's what can damage your ears).


I don't know of any gunshops in my hometown. Could I get them at a hardware store or sporting goods store?

And also, do they work better than normal earplugs with making drums sound better?

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also just wondering how big of a hole you have in the front head....the bigger the hole the more the attack of the beater will be heard.
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I have the regulator head. It has a 4.5 inch hole in it. Very small. But it packs a punch.
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« Reply #7 on: November 10, 2004, 10:48 PM »

Yes, a sporting goods store or perhaps WalMart should have those "rifle muffs".  I've also seen them at Guitar Center, but at a much higher price.  This type of ear protection is considerably more effective than typical earplugs, even though you might not think so by looking at the specs.
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« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2004, 11:51 AM »

xd , I have to agree with you that the room has the biggest effect on the sound you want heard. I struggle with trying to get that perfect bass punch at almost every venue. All I do is have ,pillow ,foam, duct tape available, and play with the mic placement, in , out of drum , backside etc. , its tough but be persistant. To confirm it isn't drum , take it outside and try it !!!
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« Reply #9 on: November 13, 2004, 07:44 PM »

You can grab the VicFirth isolation head phones for 20 bucks at guitar center. I have them myself and not that my drums dont already sound good, but I think they sound better with them on.
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