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« Reply #20 on: January 01, 2005, 03:05 PM »

Yes, but only the congas on the song 'The Art of Dying'. Still cool though due to the fact he was pretty much an unknown teenager at the time.

A couple guest drum spots that Phil played that I loved were "Fridas" - 'Somethings Going On' (great beat) and Eric Claptons 'Bad Love' off of "Journey Man". Two good rockers.

Phil also played on at least one of Peter Gabriel's solo records.  I'm pretty sure he played on the album known as Security but since I just moved and my CDs aren't unpacked yet.......

In addition, those who are unfamiliar with the Genesis recordings with Peter Gabriel should give them a listen.  Phil joined the band for the Nursery Cryme album in 1971.  I think Phil's best work with Genesis is on Selling England by the Pound and The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway but I dig his work on all the Gabriel-era recordings.  

And finally, (for Smoggy's benefit, since a response from me to one of her posts would not be complete if I didn't mention Bill Bruford), Bill Bruford also played with Brand X very briefly and was also the first drummer who toured with Genesis after Peter Gabriel left the band.
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« Reply #21 on: January 02, 2005, 08:44 AM »

In the Air Tonight is why I became a drummer. riding down the rode beatin the hell outa the back of my dad's seat when I was about 10 or so.


Yeah, that is far and away my favorite Phil Colllins groove. Ironically, I was listening to that song when I saw this thread and decided to comment. Heh.
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« Reply #22 on: January 09, 2005, 12:09 PM »

Well, I guess I should pipe in now given my nickname here  Roll Eyes
Phil was a tremendous influence on my in my younger days. I listened to allot of stuff like Genesis, Yes, King Crimson, UK and Kayak. I was the most fond of Genesis though. Selling England, Foxtrot, Lamb lies down and of course Trick of the Tail ( from where I get my nickname) was about all I listened to for influence. Then I started listening to Rush and other prog bands of the day.
I found most of Genesis's later albums quite distasteful on the drumming side, great songs but Phil seemed to no longer be interested in drumming so I stopped listening.
The BrandX stuff was great and a nice departue (if only slight) from what he was doing with Genesis.
I never heard the Zep stories on this thread, or I did and didn't care and have since forgotten.
Either way, Phil is a monster. Even some of the bigband stuff he has done is quite good.
I can't say enough about Phil's playing except I wish he would put out an album now with some monster drumming on it. I would like to hear how the years have changed his playing.
Enough said.
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« Reply #23 on: January 11, 2005, 09:05 AM »

I was just remembering recently how great a drummer Phil baby is.  The iPod gave me a lot of Phil last week (the Frida track, some stuff from the 3rd Peter Gabriel record, "In the Air Tonight," "Dodo/Lurker" from Abacab & some other stuff from the Duke LP) and I just love how his drums sound on tape.  The high single-headed toms, the gated snare...not to mention his use of polyrhythms and space.  It's a bummer that the music he makes now just does absolutely nothing for me.  
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« Reply #24 on: January 11, 2005, 02:46 PM »

Phil also played on at least one of Peter Gabriel's solo records.  I'm pretty sure he played on the album known as Security but since I just moved and my CDs aren't unpacked yet.......

In addition, those who are unfamiliar with the Genesis recordings with Peter Gabriel should give them a listen.  Phil joined the band for the Nursery Cryme album in 1971.  I think Phil's best work with Genesis is on Selling England by the Pound and The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway but I dig his work on all the Gabriel-era recordings.  

And finally, (for Smoggy's benefit, since a response from me to one of her posts would not be complete if I didn't mention Bill Bruford), Bill Bruford also played with Brand X very briefly and was also the first drummer who toured with Genesis after Peter Gabriel left the band.


I believe Phil did play on a Gabriel record. I think I remember a song where he did not play a single cymbal the whole song. I can't remember the name though.
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« Reply #25 on: January 11, 2005, 05:50 PM »

I believe Phil did play on a Gabriel record. I think I remember a song where he did not play a single cymbal the whole song. I can't remember the name though.

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« Reply #26 on: January 15, 2005, 05:25 PM »

Wow. I've always known that Phil Collins played drums, but never really took much interest in him. I am young, and Phil was probably just before my time. Unfortunately, (setting myself up for some "kids these days..." criticism), I know little more of Phil beyond South Park poking fun at him and his receding hairline. haha.
What's a good starting place if I decide to check out Phil Collins the DRUMMER, and not Phil Collins the whiney British cartoon character??
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« Reply #27 on: January 15, 2005, 11:37 PM »

Start with Genesis' Selling England by the Pound and The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway, then work backward through Foxtrot, Genesis Live, and Nursery Cryme.  Finally (for Peter Gabriel era Genesis), invest in the first Genesis Archive box set.  After that, listen to Brand X's Unorthodox Behaviour and Moroccan Roll.  

You can go back to Genesis for A Trick of the Tail and Wind and Wuthering but I'd quit after that.

And personally, I'd skip the solo stuff entirely.
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« Reply #28 on: January 16, 2005, 08:24 AM »

I was hangin' with Chester Thompson one night (Phil's drumming counterpart for you younger folks), and he said that Phil is one of the best drummers he has ever been around, and (like many of you already said) very under rated. I consider Chester an incredible talent, very diverse in his style of playing.

I also concur that I would like to hear Phil rock again!




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« Reply #29 on: January 16, 2005, 02:45 PM »

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I have to disagree Bilkay....

From his first solo album, Face Value, check out -

Hand in hand
Behind the lines
In the air tonight
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« Reply #30 on: January 16, 2005, 03:12 PM »

I have to disagree Bilkay....

From his first solo album, Face Value, check out -

Hand in hand
Behind the lines
In the air tonight

I like Face Value but it's kinda "apples to oranges" with the other stuff, IMHO.  For me, the "poppy" stuff doesn't compare to the other material I suggested.
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« Reply #31 on: January 17, 2005, 02:54 AM »

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For me, the "poppy" stuff doesn't compare to the other material I suggested.

Maybe not in terms of creativity and chops, but in terms of groove and musicality I think his solo stuff is fantastic.
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« Reply #32 on: January 17, 2005, 08:18 AM »

And personally, I'd skip the solo stuff entirely.

And I would very much disagree.  Phil's first Solo Album Face Value has some of Phil's best drumming and songwriting.  We all know "In the Air Tonight" and I guess it does kinda sound dated now but that song still gives me the creeps.  And I know most of us can beat that big drum fill coming out of the verse into the last chrous in our sleep!  But I love the cover of The Beatles' "Tomorrow Never Knows," the faster, slicker version of Genesis's "Behind the Lines" and the Motown groove of "I Missed Again."  I think this record was his divorce record and it's not as shallow or pop-driven as what was to come.

I also recommend his work on the 3rd Peter Gabriel record (both he and Jerry Marotta leave the cymbals at home and get down tribal-style;) Gabriel-era Genesis albums like Selling England By the Pound and The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway and the trio-era records Duke and Abacab.  I have a live Brand X record but I've not listened to it enough to really recommend it.

You should be able to find vinyl on most of these releases in good condition in the $1 bin.  
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« Reply #33 on: January 24, 2005, 06:37 AM »

I have a live Brand X record but I've not listened to it enough to really recommend it.

For Brand X, the studio albums Unorthodox Behaviour and Moroccan Roll feature Phil throughout.  I don't think Phil's on too many of the tracks on the live CD.  Phil's work on the two CDs I mentioned is brilliant.
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« Reply #34 on: January 24, 2005, 06:37 PM »

And I would very much disagree.  Phil's first Solo Album Face Value has some of Phil's best drumming and songwriting.  We all know "In the Air Tonight" and I guess it does kinda sound dated now but that song still gives me the creeps.  And I know most of us can beat that big drum fill coming out of the verse into the last chrous in our sleep!  But I love the cover of The Beatles' "Tomorrow Never Knows," the faster, slicker version of Genesis's "Behind the Lines" and the Motown groove of "I Missed Again."  I think this record was his divorce record and it's not as shallow or pop-driven as what was to come.

I also recommend his work on the 3rd Peter Gabriel record (both he and Jerry Marotta leave the cymbals at home and get down tribal-style;) Gabriel-era Genesis albums like Selling England By the Pound and The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway and the trio-era records Duke and Abacab.  I have a live Brand X record but I've not listened to it enough to really recommend it.

You should be able to find vinyl on most of these releases in good condition in the $1 bin.  

Couldn't agree with you more on the "value" of Face Value.  I think it is a great album as well.  Youve inspired me to listen to it again!  It's been quite some time.
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« Reply #35 on: January 24, 2005, 09:17 PM »

yes like someone said THE LAMB LIES DOWN ON BROADWAY.....simply amazing, right up there with Tommy, The Wall and a few other thematic releases from decades back.

for me the LIVE disc of Lamb Lies Down from the Box Set is stellar, why they never videotaped this performance is almost criminal.....i heard they did it live completely 105 times....if you have never heard Phil play back when he sported a thick mane of hair and early 70's stoner beard.....this is something to cherish and appreciate.

some good drumming on Genesis 3 Sides Live too....

hey, ultimately, Philip did alright for himself, backed one of the finest bands ever, wrote and co-wrote some amazing tunes, then fronted and drummed in the later incarnations of Genesis, then had a tremendously successful solo career, then kinda went off stray with all the disney video tunes......not for me......but when he was in his early 50's he married a 25 year old girl and now lives in Switzerland....

gotta love it.
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« Reply #36 on: April 02, 2005, 02:43 AM »

Quote from: bilkay I think Phil's best work with Genesis is on [i
Selling England by the Pound[/i] and The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway /quote]

I fully agree with you - the masterpieces indeed.  Wink

@ squonk
you wrote:  "found most of Genesis's later albums quite distasteful on the drumming side, great songs but Phil seemed to no longer be interested in drumming so I stopped listening"

you're so right

@ squonk again
you wrote: I can't say enough about Phil's playing except I wish he would put out an album now with some monster drumming on it. I would like to hear how the years have changed his playing

absolutely ... my hopes & dreams would become reallity, how sad that this will never happen
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« Reply #37 on: April 02, 2005, 02:54 AM »

I stumbled on an article with Phil from 1999. He spoke briefly about how he had moved from musician/drummer to singer, to frontman and that it DID effect his approach drumming.  Somthing he said he was hoping to focus more on in the future--being a musician.
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« Reply #38 on: April 02, 2005, 03:01 AM »

Quote from: bradford What's a good starting place if I decide to check out Phil Collins the DRUMMER, and not Phil Collins the whiney British cartoon character?? [quote

@ Bradford

I've just read your posting from Jan 15

And ... ?
Can you confirm now how great Phil is/was?

Don't hesitate to buy all the important albums of that time  - you cannot do anything wrong.

I have met Phil several times, also Tony Smith (his manager) - great chaps indeed
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« Reply #39 on: April 03, 2005, 09:01 AM »

I believe Phil is suffering from a degenerative hearing loss condition that is irreversible, hence his 'farewell tour' last year.  A friend of mine worked that show and played ping pong with Chester backstage.  I was also a big Genesis fan--saw the "LLDOB" tour and then the "Trick of the Tail" tour with Chester on drums here in the states.  It was surprising to see how much Phil sang  on the Lamb Lies Down show--that show was astonishing and I would agree that it should have been videotaped.  However, the next best thing would be these guys... http://www.themusicalbox.net/  Talk about a dedicated bunch!  They also have Genesis' remaining members' blessing for performing their old material.  I would love to see these guys!

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