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ahhhhhhkeithmoon
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« on: December 26, 2004, 12:27 AM »

ok i THINK my band is playin at the door (club in ft. worth texas), and i'm not sure if i should mic my cymbols because it's a small club...... anyone got inside info?  Grin. Also my band is going to record a demo, would one mic be good for recording drums? i was thinking three... where should i place them?
THANK YOU FOR ANY ADVICE.

(sorry, i'm a noob at mics  Sad)
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« Reply #1 on: December 26, 2004, 07:59 AM »

Small club, i don't mic cymbals.

Miking your kit with less than "one mic per drum" can get tricky--and likely won't get the best results, but it can get your demo out there if need be.

Be sure to put one somewhere near the BD to get some punch.  Mic the toms if yo want your fills heard and maybe an overhead.

Depending on the tuning of your kit, the volume you play, the number of drums, cymbals, etc. it's going to be some trial and error as far as placement goes.

Experiment and listen back. Repeat.

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« Reply #2 on: December 26, 2004, 08:58 AM »

I agree, you hardly ever need to mic cymbals in a medium or small sized live room. If you think about it, most vocal mics are at the same height as your cymbals.
However, for recording, using just 3 mics is a recognised and traditional technique.
One mic generally goes close to the bass drum. The other two should be positioned somewhere that captures the rest of your kit. You might have to experiment.
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« Reply #3 on: December 26, 2004, 11:07 AM »

ok i THINK my band is playin at the door (club in ft. worth texas), and i'm not sure if i should mic my cymbols because it's a small club...... anyone got inside info?

As Jon and Chrisso said, you shouldn't need to mic cymbals in a small venue.  

Also my band is going to record a demo, would one mic be good for recording drums? i was thinking three... where should i place them?

One mic can be fine for recording drums, two is easier, three is plenty.

As for mics and placement ...

One - I recommend a large diaphragm condensor.   And I recommend treating it as a room mic.  Start about 3' in front of the kit and aimed at where a bass mounted tom mount would be.  

Two - Large diaphragm condensor as overhead, start with it aimed at your rack toms, about 1-2' above your cymbals.  Bass dynamic on bass, wherever ever it works best.  

Three - Just like two mics, but with a pair of overheads in XY pattern.

These are just my ideas and starting points for recording.   There are gobs of variables and experimentation is key.
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« Reply #4 on: December 26, 2004, 05:15 PM »

thanks guys! i owe ya
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« Reply #5 on: December 27, 2004, 11:05 AM »

My band just recorded a live demo in a bar.  I just ran 3 room mics and a direct line from the PA for vocals.  I put a mic on each side of the stage to record the drums, guitars, and bass all together and the third mic in the back of the room to get the crowd as well as some of the band, that mic was mixed low, underneath the rest of the mix to provide ambiance.

The mix sounds suprisingly good!
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« Reply #6 on: December 27, 2004, 06:50 PM »

For smaller venues I usually use 4, but sometimes I will use 3.  When I use 4, I use 1 for the bass, one btwn the h.h. and snare, and 2 overheads.  When I use 3, one for the bass, and I scratch the h.h./snare mic and position the overheads a little differently.  Of course this sometimes changes, depending on the venue size, and what our mixer dude manning the board says.  He's good, and I trust his judgement!
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« Reply #7 on: December 27, 2004, 07:22 PM »

If you are going into a studio, mic each drum and cymbal and let your engineer work his magic. I personally feel that his work is part of what I pay hourly fees for. I've only recorded twice, both times everthing was miced(each drum and cymbal). I read some of the other posts regarding 3 and 4 mic setups. Food for thought. Good luck.
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