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2 tom rolls

« on: December 13, 2004, 04:12 PM »

Any advice on how to get more length out of your tom tolls when you only play with two toms, im testing out playing 4 toms and 2 toms because asthetcly i like 2 toms better but the only think I dislike is i can't get those full rolls out of it as easily as I can with 4 toms. Does anyone have any advice?


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« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2004, 04:27 PM »

Think beyond descending tom rolls. They've been done to death. Instead, explore hand/foot combinations. Try concocting fills using patterns like these:

(H=hand, F=foot)

HHF
HFF
HHFF
HHHF
HHHHFF
HHHHHF

Superimpose these patterns in different combinations over 16th notes, and over triplets. Listen to guys like Andy Newmark, John Bonham (who played most of his stuff on his first two toms), Stanton Moore, Steve Jordan (who is KILLIN' on Blues Brothers Made in America), and others.

Set yourself free from descending tom fills, and start discovering the truly interesting music your small kit is capable of!


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« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2004, 04:32 PM »

Try breaking up the rythyms you play as well. Fills don't always have to be burning 16ths all the way down the drums. For instance, try 6 stroke rolls between your small tom and your snare then to your large tom a la Mitch Mitchell. Try approaching your cymbals as fill elements too, not just exclamation points at the end of fills.


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« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2004, 03:30 PM »

Go listen to some drummers that play the type of kit you do.


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« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2004, 04:40 PM »

Think about all the things you do on the snare, moved around on the toms. This is really literal - imagine playing on a rotating throne, and that's what should be happening, your whole body moving around playing the drums. Try playing some of that 2nd line new orleans snare drum stuff around the toms to practice being creative. Also make sure your toms are in a nice, flowing position that will be ideal for your playing.

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« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2004, 10:22 PM »

iv always wounderd how Drummers with 2 toms, get such great thick full sounding long fills with their toms. I guess it has to do with alot of bass in there as well, but its so fast it just sounds so constant and thick.

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« Reply #6 on: December 22, 2004, 05:45 AM »

Quote from: bolero on December 21, 2004, 10:22 PM

There's one way to find out: pick a specific example, and take the time to figure out what they played. Find a recording where one of these drummers does this, and then analyse it and figure out exactly what he or she did. Don't let it remain a mystery - do some homework!


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