pls. exucse tying/clarity --just had other hand surgery:


Yep.  I agree you should test them out before you buy them to see if you like the sound.  Every cymbal out there sounds different, even those of the same make and model that are stacked individually.   That's why I'd never buy a cymbal off the net.  But sometimes you have to just go with what you can afford.  I bought a pack of zbts a long time ago when I lived in the Caribbean and that's all they had.  I think trash can lids sound better than those zbts.   Sure, the prepacks serve their purpose, and are good for beginners, economical, etc.,, but yes in my opinion, I've found the prepacks to not be the best sounding things I've ever heard, but beauty is in the ear of the beholder.  Now I'm not saying there's a zbt/zxt out there that I wouldn't like the sound...

 I'd be curious to ask 563 or someone what it is exactly about the economy line prepacks, particularly the zbts, zxts, from the aspect of elemental composititon/manufacturing, etc.,  that make them different from the other cymbals.

Crap--i'm frsutrated with my tyoping--i can't say what i want to say.  i gove up.

oh my goodness, this reminds me:  i was at a small music store the other day that carries mostly guitars.  Well, they had the Sabian prepack cymbals out of the box and were selling them invidiually so they coud make more money.

Thanx for the response guys and gals.Have iether of you had any experience with the D.W. 5000 series single pedel,Im taking it for my first "test drive"tomorrow weee!!!!!!

The ZXT's are a decent beginner cymbal.  They are basic B8 alloy and are spun as opposed to hammered.  They are relatively thick and and therefore have a wide frequency range so the sound can be muddy compared to a thinner hammered cymbal.  If you hate them, then try to trade up.

Also, try a nylon tip stick....it will give a thinner sound - or try other tip shapes.

The DW5000 pedal is very good.  You shouldn't be disappointed with it as a beginner.

The XS20 cymbals sound pretty good for the money, only 289, 299 depending on the pack you get at Guitar Center.  The ZBT/ZXT are as said before a B8 bronz. They have more tin in them so they sound thin and cheap.