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« on: February 28, 2005, 01:21 PM » |
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I am looking to buy a new snare drum- either a 6 1/2" or 7" x 14"....I know it is not particularly "in" anymore, but I am looking to get a big, deep, cracking hair-metal sound (ie.Warrant)- So far I have my options narrowed down to a 7 x 14 Ludwig Maple Coloseum and a 6 1/2 x 14 Tama Imperialstar from the mid-80's. Any thoughts on these drums or other options for helping me get that sound would be greatly appreciated.
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« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2005, 01:26 PM » |
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There is likely as much to the MIXING of the 80's snare drum as there is to the drum itself (if not more).
Lots of gated reverb, etc. is what gave those 80's SD's their sound. Maybe you need to play around with some effects before sinking cash into a new drum.
Just a thought.
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« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2005, 01:57 PM » |
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This is going to be mostly for live playing.
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« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2005, 02:03 PM » |
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...and also, I wouldn't think any amount of gated reverb is going to make something like a piccolo sound like a 7 inch deep drum....so I think the particular drum does matter.
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« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2005, 02:06 PM » |
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I agree with Jon E, 80's = FX and big room ambience. So that's out of the question I think your best bet is to go for a good quality big sounding drum. Perhaps a 6.5" or 7". I don't know about the Tama, but I've never liked the Coliseum. If I was looking for 80's potential I'd go for a Black Beauty (or BB copy). What about one of the World Max. I was chatting with a drummer mate (big in the 80's) and he swears by the Mapex bronze (they are cheap). Or, if money allows, a DW Craviotto. Get the best quality you can afford in a 6.5" is my quick answer.
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« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2005, 02:09 PM » |
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I am looking for something used around the $150 area- so unforunately Craviotto and Black Beauty are out of the question.
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« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2005, 02:47 PM » |
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Nick ( www.isor.net) gets a HUGE sound of a piccolo drum on his record (studio magic)... $150 won't get you too much drum, but if you're patient, you could find a big brass Slingerland for little money on ebay (although I honestly can't remember having seen it at or under that price)... I dunno about the Tama, but I have a friend who bought a used MARCHING Ludwig and it worked for him just fine. To me, that's quite an extreme, but don't forget Alex VH... Also, back in the day, folks used pin-stripes on the snare drum to get that fat, boomy sound. I know it sounds gross, but it was a way of trying to duplicate that over-processed sound we heard on the records (think Def Leppard - Pyromania). If you're willing to increase that spending limit just a bit, Donoho sells some nice-looking deep maple snares for about $200 (7"/8" x 14"). They're vented too, so you should get some decent volume and crack... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=38095&item=7303013590&rd=1http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=38095&item=7302666035&rd=1
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« Reply #7 on: February 28, 2005, 03:23 PM » |
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If you have the same 80's sound that I have in mind (I'm thinking of the Ghostbuster's theme), then you probably don't even need a real drum. I've had success creating a similar sound with a 6.5x14 Tama Starclassic maple with an Evans Powercenter head and loose snares. It still sounds like a real drum, but it's good enough that one of my friends who plays drums mocks me for liking the 80's synthesizer snare drum sound.
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« Reply #8 on: February 28, 2005, 05:40 PM » |
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I would just throw on some 42's for whatever you buy and a heavier batter, maybe a coated dot something. Maybe listen to some birch snares.
A lot of verb can lead to problems live. With the 42's you can crank them tighter if you want less snare decay.
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« Reply #9 on: February 28, 2005, 08:00 PM » |
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I can attest that a Mapex 14x6.5 phosphor bronze snare can be tuned to both fat and crisp. I put 42 strand wires on it and am really impressed with the sound. I will put it head to head with my Craviotto of the same size. The Craviotto will sound more woody, but for the cost difference I was amazed at what that Mapex will do. I got a definate 80's sound from it. It will get ring if you don't put a sound ring or something to deaden it. It took me by surprize the sound variations I can get from it. 
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« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2005, 10:04 PM » |
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I'd advise against the Tama. I bought one to replace my metal Slingerland, which had a "honk" I couldn't remove easily. While the Tama is well made, it actually had less bottom end than my Slingerland. If you can find a deep wooden Slingerland from the late 70's/early 80's, you may very well find the sound you're looking for. I love mine and it is my fave of the 30+ I own. Tamas from the early 80's were well-constructed but sounded less than great, IMHO.
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« Reply #11 on: March 03, 2005, 04:38 AM » |
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My suggestion:
Save Some more Pearl Steve Ferrone Signature Coated Underdot 42 Snares
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« Reply #12 on: March 25, 2005, 08:09 PM » |
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Dan, I have a very old Slingerland wood snare, 14 x 7 with 8 lugs. I found it in poor condition and have refinished it. The bearing edges are good and the shell isn't damaged any. I think it could sound a lot better than it does. Currently it has Remo Weather King Ambassador batter & snare heads, a 42 strand snare and I have a round strip from an old head about an inch wide next to the hoop as a muffler. How is the one you use set up?
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