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« on: January 26, 2005, 09:35 PM »

im gonna sell some drum stuff on e bay soon and hopefully i will have enough money to have dave conaway make me a snare but i was wondering what the ply thickness has to do with sound, as far as a fat sound or a thin sound. i cant explain the sound i want without a sound clip, which im gonna try to find for him if i have him make one for me...also...what defines a good metal snare? chrome alloy steel, whatever....any opinions.

if i should just search it tell me
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« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2005, 10:04 PM »

Lower mass resonates more.   Ergo, the thinner the shell, the more shell sound, the thicker the shell the more the heads dominate the sound.

More resonance generally means more "warmth" in that the woody overtones are more audible.   Less shell resonance dries up the sound, giving more "crack".   Thats why you'll see a lot of jazzier guys going for thin shells, warm and throaty.   And modern pop guys going for thicker shells for dry, cutting, crack.  

Good metal snare = a metal snare you like.  
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« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2005, 11:54 PM »

I have found detailed descriptions of this on a few drum company's sites. Here is what SPAUN has to say about it;

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As the shell thickness increases, the drum becomes louder, with a slightly higher pitch, and has a more focused note (less ring and overtones). They accentuate the "crack" with an increase in power while maintaining warmth and sensitivity.

Here is a little more from OCDP;

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Vented snares
The vented snare drum is a snare shell with a large opening cut into it. These large openings are called vents and dramatically increase the volume and sensitivity of the drum while decreasing the shell resonance. In short, the vented snare is louder, more sensitive, dryer, and more explosive than any other drum you have ever played.  

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Multi Ply snares
By adding plies to a drum, you raise the pitch and make the drum louder. A 20 ply is going to be very loud and have a fairly high pitch. But a 50 ply snare drum will be almost deafening with an extremely high pitch with lots of attack. These thicker ply drums are made to be played very loud and tuned fairly tight. They do not work very well down tuned for a fat snare sound.  

Regarding metal snares, I recently read something good about the sound properties of each metal... I think it may have been in Modern Drummer magazine, but I will look around and see if it is on the web somewhere. Best of luck with Conaway! I am about to have him make me an acrylic kit... I can't wait.
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« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2005, 07:42 PM »

I found a link to some short mp3 samples of the band who has the drummer with the sanre sound i absolutely ADORE. i would do anything to get a snare that sound slike that. ive been told its a noble and cooley snare but no say on the material or the dimensions. i was hoping you experts could help me out, if you dont mind listing to some weird metalcore real quick i would greatly appreciate any help. the song calulating infinity and destro's secret would be good ones to go off of.

thank you for any help, seriously.
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« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2005, 08:20 PM »

Chris told me he did use a N&C snare on that record. I may be able to find out exactly what he used, I can PM you because it will take a while. It is a great sound, and he is a great drummer!
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« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2005, 09:42 PM »

oh yeah you are the guy who knows him!

sorry to be such a bother but i am in love with that snare. the first thing i noticed about calc. infinity was the snare & bass sound. i think he used all noble and cooley on that record too. sweet drums....i wish i could buy them! Cry
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