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« on: February 17, 2005, 12:51 PM » |
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I am attempting to mic my drum kit for home recording. I am looking at two options, as I have a fairly limited budget. Which one will give me better sound...
1. 2 samson C02s for overhead, 1 Shure SM57 for snare, and an 8" MB Quart speaker for bass ( it works awesome for bass drum micing)
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2. Nady DMK-7 Drum mic kit.
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« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2005, 02:00 PM » |
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I have not used either, but just thought I'd let you know that the March issue of DRUM! has a review of 7 drum mic pre-packs. The Nady DM5 is one of them reviewed.
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« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2005, 02:43 PM » |
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I am not familiar with the samsoms. I am familiar with the Oktava MC012's, a great sound for less than 100 each. Very clean. Many people say they are the best choice in that price range for small condensor mics for drum overheads. You can get a decent recording with just SM-57's, but you lack some lows on the kick and some highs on the cymbals that you would get with a kick mic and condensors. I would rather use SM57s for overheads then a poor quality condensor.
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« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2005, 03:27 PM » |
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Either way is relatively comprable actually. The Samsons aren't any better or worse than the Nady's and I don't like 57's any more than a cheap Nady (mics are instruments remember, its a matter of taste).
If you do the former, I'd use the Samsons as overheads and the 57 and 8" speaker on the kick. The snare will get into the overheads just fine and adding the 57 to the kick will get you some attack the 8" speaker can't get which will make it a helluva lot easier to mix.
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« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2005, 03:57 PM » |
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Either way is relatively comprable actually. The Samsons aren't any better or worse than the Nady's and I don't like 57's any more than a cheap Nady (mics are instruments remember, its a matter of taste).
If you do the former, I'd use the Samsons as overheads and the 57 and 8" speaker on the kick. The snare will get into the overheads just fine and adding the 57 to the kick will get you some attack the 8" speaker can't get which will make it a helluva lot easier to mix.
In all honesty, I think the MB Quart 8" can be use all on its own, as it is a full range speaker... and currently has a tweet mounted on it. I am looking for a way to make my recordings the most "professional" sounding that I can on my budget. If you have any recomendations other than what I have posted, feel free to share them. I am extremely open on new ideas. All that I have for requirements are that I stay under $200. I have about two weeks to research my various options before I am actually ready to buy.
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« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2005, 06:06 PM » |
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I am looking for a way to make my recordings the most "professional" sounding that I can on my budget. Again, mics are an instrument. Just like drums, you'll get the most professional sound from a professional. I'd argue the engineer makes more difference than the gear. Especially in the price range you're talking about.
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« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2005, 06:51 PM » |
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you probably wont get a desirable sound out of that setup, considering that you aren't actually micing any specific drums, just overheads so u won't get the dynamics of each drum, I heard a drumset recording using a Samson drum mic kit and I wasn't impressed
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« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2005, 07:13 PM » |
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you probably wont get a desirable sound out of that setup, considering that you aren't actually micing any specific drums, just overheads so u won't get the dynamics of each drum
I'd argue that point. Many classic drum recordings have been done with three and even two mic configs. What you lose when you move away from close micing each drum is individual level, effect and eq ability. Dynamics will come through just fine. For the thread poster, check out a pair of inexpensive MXL 603s for OHs and a decent kick mic. Audix D4, D6, AKG D112, etc. You'll like what you hear.
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« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2005, 08:16 PM » |
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you probably wont get a desirable sound out of that setup, considering that you aren't actually micing any specific drums, just overheads so u won't get the dynamics of each drum,
Id argue this point too. You can actually get a better sound if you do it right because you get a natural balance across the kit from a realistic perspective. If you can't get a good sound with two overheads its your fault, not the gear's, and more mics won't help that.
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« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2005, 06:55 AM » |
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I heard a setup using 2 sm57s for overheads and an sm58 thrown into the bass drum, and for the most part, it sounded good. The snare sound was outstanding, but low in volume, and the bass was dead. the dead bass is the price you pay for having the mic fully sitting in the drum, it doesnt pressurize the mic as much.
The kick mic I have covered. I will be using an MB Quart 8" speaker. I have already tried this method, and the results were amazing. I have never heard a dedicated kick drum mic produce the sound as accuratly as the speaker did, and the low end freq response was very impressive.
I heard a recording last night of the C02s being used as overheads, and although each drum was miced as well, I was very impressed with the way they reproduced the sound of all of the cymbals. My only fear with those mics as that they wont pick up the drum kit as a whole.
As for the SM57 on the snare... That is the route I am going. I have heard it and I loved it.
So, the only question I have (which I guess has been answered already) is... will the overheads pick up the rest of the kit good enough for a nice recording?
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« Reply #10 on: February 18, 2005, 07:26 AM » |
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So, the only question I have (which I guess has been answered already) is... will the overheads pick up the rest of the kit good enough for a nice recording?
In my Opinion, yes. And following with 563, the engineer has alot to do with the sound as well. -RHS
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« Reply #11 on: February 18, 2005, 07:47 AM » |
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Get the DM7. I got one for a live mic kit, because I got sick of my "nice" mics getting trashed. (Usually we do sound for the opening acts) We recently did some mic experimentation with recording, and ended up using the Nadys for the toms. I would rather use condensors, but, I am not a rich man. :-D The Nadys for the price are the winner there. Like everyone else said, you are not going to get a clear individual drum sound with just some over heads. My .02 cents. Ian
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« Reply #12 on: February 18, 2005, 10:19 AM » |
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I have not heard them but, since you are looking at budget choices, check out the drum mikes at www.carvin.com. They are very affordable and Carvin does make some quality stuff. My Carvin tube guitar amp is 20 years old and still working great (and has a good sound).
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« Reply #13 on: February 18, 2005, 01:30 PM » |
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So, the only question I have (which I guess has been answered already) is... will the overheads pick up the rest of the kit good enough for a nice recording?
Yes. If you put them in the right place. And in case you were wondering, no, we can't tell you where the right place is because that depends on the internal balance of your, the room, and the mics character. Be patient and have fun 
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« Reply #14 on: February 18, 2005, 02:42 PM » |
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I am a quite big Shure SM57 fan, (I like them for toms & guitar cabs too…) but thats the only thing that is initially pointing me towards option 1. Your toms are going to have to sound very close to how you want them in front of the kit before you start recording with option 1, option 2 will give you a lot more control… but that might not be useful without a the right level of expertise... I am not a massive Nady fan, but that is a lot of mics for the money…  How many channels do you have to play with? & at what point will you bounce them? What kind (Style/Genre) of music will you be recording? What size of kit are you recording? Do you like the sound of your kit on the room you are going to be recording in? Will you be working to a click or a guide or recording with your band playing in the same room? What EQ.s & other gear do you have at your disposal? Cheers  N
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« Reply #15 on: February 18, 2005, 10:06 PM » |
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I heard a setup using 2 sm57s for overheads and an sm58 thrown into the bass drum, and for the most part, it sounded good. The snare sound was outstanding, but low in volume, and the bass was dead. the dead bass is the price you pay for having the mic fully sitting in the drum, it doesnt pressurize the mic as much.
The SM58 does not have the same freq range as the SM57. The SM57 gets a little lower. The SM58 would be okay on a small tom, but it will miss some of the lows on a large tom and a lot of the lows on a kick.
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