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« Reply #20 on: February 22, 2005, 03:18 PM »

I'm a player and I've used a Cajon in just about every genre of music you could imagine.

If it sounds good to you and works for the music ... use it!

Generally speaking, I'm personallly using the Cajon for acoustic music, whether it be Rock, Country, Latin, Jazz, etc. I also use it a lot for drum loop concepts, in conjunction with a drumset.
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« Reply #21 on: February 22, 2005, 08:00 PM »


cajons... I think their great... and because they are relatively new (at least to western culture) ... our ear doesn't associate them with certaint music, like it would say conga or djembe... which makes application in different styles easier IMHO... or does it? Huh

what do I know anyway I should leave this philosophy to someone smarter and go play the drum...  Roll Eyes Grin

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« Reply #22 on: February 22, 2005, 08:37 PM »

There's going to be a big push in the market for Cajons. We'll see more and more companies offering the instrument as well as custom builders. It's the latest fad ... and was the buzz at the 2005 NAMM Show.

It's funny how something that has been around for so long can suddenly gain a lot of exposure and popularity. Like the Djembe did a number of years ago, the Cajon is making a commotion throughout the music industry.

I wonder what will be next.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #23 on: February 22, 2005, 11:19 PM »

Jw Drums and Fed, you have a PM.

And yes i do have sound samples of them.
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« Reply #24 on: February 23, 2005, 07:49 AM »

There's going to be a big push in the market for Cajons. We'll see more and more companies offering the instrument as well as custom builders. It's the latest fad ... and was the buzz at the 2005 NAMM Show.


That is so true... even coupple of years ago when I first got interested in cajon... I searched on ebay and there was nothing... and there is a ton any day...

It's good though that it gets exposure... the more players play, more better ones will emerge... well more bad once too  Smiley  but the point is that things will develop... better or different sounding drums, new desings etc...  The hype will ofcourse die down but there always be demand for good music and musicianship which is developed only through a lot of "sweating" ...  


trauco233, thanks for the PM...
Let us know if there is a way to maybe see and hear some of your creations...

Do you play other percussion other then cajon?

by the way you should post some more comments because if you don't, it will seem like you are here to sell cajons (which is cool with me because I realy want one Cool )  and B-man might come and bust your donkey... if you know what I mean   Grin Grin

seriously though... tell us more about where you play and in what kind of group...  are there sites you recomend to check about "South American folk and Nouveau Flamenco"

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« Reply #25 on: February 23, 2005, 10:24 AM »

Well myself i play cajon, charango, ronroco, cuatro, tiple and i play classical guitar. I love playing cajon, specially Latin American music, because i have an avid admiration for the Latin American folklore. I do not really play rock. And if it sounded like i want to sell cajones, well that is why i make them for. But i am not pushing. I thought there would be an interest for them here. By the way i do have samples. But where do i upload that here?
Well see you for now.
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« Reply #26 on: February 23, 2005, 10:27 AM »

I have some great links for you guys to see but i have no idea if i am allowed to put links here. Let me know.
There is a lot of info in one of them.
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« Reply #27 on: February 23, 2005, 10:37 AM »

I have some great links for you guys to see but i have no idea if i am allowed to put links here. Let me know.
There is a lot of info in one of them.

Click on the Forum Rules link on the right to learn what is and isn't appropriate here. Thanks!

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« Reply #28 on: February 23, 2005, 12:05 PM »

I have some great links for you guys to see but i have no idea if i am allowed to put links here. Let me know.
There is a lot of info in one of them.

In my "interpretation of the law"  if it's link to your site put it in the signature in your profile, and if it's not your site and you just sharing information you could post the links.

by the way I didn't know any of the instruments you listed except cajon and classical guitar...
you ever heard of Rodrigo Rodriguez he is a classical guitarist originaly from Equador. He lives in US now.
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« Reply #29 on: February 23, 2005, 12:35 PM »

In my "interpretation of the law"  if it's link to your site put it in the signature in your profile, and if it's not your site and you just sharing information you could post the links.

We want people to succeed in what they do. What we don't want is people coming here for the SOLE PURPOSE of directing people to their own websites, whether it's to make money or not. When a new member comes on my forum, and the first and/or only thing they do is post links to their site or try to get business, it's obvious to me what their intentions are. It's to take from this forum, not give.

If everyone would just get involved with our community ... there would be no problems. I don't have a problem with trauco233 as long as he's not here to just get some new clients. If you want to advertise on this site, contact me directly. Thus far trauco233 is only involved in this thread and hasn't contributed to the forum ... but has already made contact with our members as potential customers. Not looking to good.  Undecided
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« Reply #30 on: February 23, 2005, 01:46 PM »

Sorry if i made it look as if i was looking for customers, but it is true that i make cajones. I would like to share some info that i will quote because it is not mine, but it is some history of the peruvian cajon for those that wanted to know about the peruvian cajon.

"The Peruvian Cajón



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The Peruvian cajón, or wooden box, became synonymous with Afro-Peruvian music during this century, although its use dates back to the 1800s. With the arrival of the recording industry in Peru, the cajón was added to the instrumentation of the vals criollo, or "creole waltz", and in the 1970s it was adopted in Spain for flamenco music as well as for popular music such as rock and fusion. The latter development is traced to one man -- the guitar player Paco de Lucía, who took it to Spain and with it replaced the percussive hand clapping which accompanied his flamenco performances. The Peruvian cajón has a cousin of the same name in Cuba, where it is made in three sizes, reflecting the arrangement of sets of drums such as congas and batá. The Cuban cajón is primarily featured in the rumba de cajón. In Peru, however, where only a single cajón producing a variety of sounds is played, it fulfills a more universal musical function.

Just as its name indicates, a cajón is a box made of wooden sheets --preferably cedar or mahogany -- on which the player sits to strike the front and sides. A sound hole is cut into the back, and the front is loosely attached to permit a rattling sound to be made.

As with many folk instruments, the origins of the cajón cannot be established with assurance, but the most likely theories involve antecedents that were not drums nor necessarily made of wood. While it is possible that the cajón indeed represents a variant of the drums that it eventually replaced, Nicomedes Santa Cruz, among others, looks instead to the two botijas, or conical clay jugs, that were used by earlier generations of black Peruvians to accompany the zamacueca, the precursor of todays marinera. Once the jugs' bottoms were removed, the mouths of the jugs were covered with patches of donkey skin, which were struck by the musicians. The larger, or bass, jug was the llamador, and the smaller instrument, used for improvising, was the repicador. Another candidate for predecessor of the cajón is the tamborete, no longer in use. The tamborete, which was also known as mesa de ruidos (table of noises) outside of Lima and tormento in Chile, was a sheet of wood set on four legs like a small table. Bottle caps and wood chips, which the player could strike to achieve different sounds, might have been attached to the top of the tamborete.

The cajón is now a national emblem for Peruvians, and an indispensable part of any ensemble that performs the traditional and folk music of Peru."

I just found this forum about three or four days ago, and some pleople contacted me with pm`s it was not me that contacted them first, just to clear this about me trying to make money with my cajones.

Since i would also like to contribute to this site i will teach you guys how to make a cajon with plywood. I would also like to clarify that i never intended to add my site to make business since i do not have a site yet. I just wanted to add some links for people to read more about the cajones. And decide if the peruvian or flamenco or cuban caja is best for their needs.

Tonight i will share some info on how to build your own cajon with plywood.


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« Reply #31 on: February 23, 2005, 02:14 PM »

I just found this forum about three or four days ago, and some pleople contacted me with pm`s it was not me that contacted them first, just to clear this about me trying to make money with my cajones.

Since i would also like to contribute to this site i will teach you guys how to make a cajon with plywood. I would also like to clarify that i never intended to add my site to make business since i do not have a site yet. I just wanted to add some links for people to read more about the cajones. And decide if the peruvian or flamenco or cuban caja is best for their needs.

Tonight i will share some info on how to build your own cajon with plywood.

See Bart ... he is ok, he ain't hurting nobody ...   Grin Tongue

Thanks for the info, trauco233

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« Reply #32 on: February 23, 2005, 11:03 PM »

sorry guys but today is a no go i am kind of tired i will do that tomorrow.
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« Reply #33 on: February 24, 2005, 07:03 AM »

It's interesting ... there is a guy on ebay from peru that sells cajon through NOvica thing and I just realised that his are made from solid wood (pine), except the head... I think...

Actualy those were there for a while, at least a couple of years....
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« Reply #34 on: February 24, 2005, 01:29 PM »

Yes they are made from solid wood, but the biggest one the depth is not enough. Should be at least a couple of inches more about 11 inches in depth.
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« Reply #35 on: February 24, 2005, 01:50 PM »

The Peruvian cajon is equal to the flamenco drawer in volume. 2. The PC does not have snares or bordonas (guitar strings) . 3. It is totally closed, glued and nailed, without screws. 4. The percussion cover is of plywood 3 to 5 mm of thickness and it suggested that the other should be of fine wood too, like cedar or the mahogany. Although you may use 5mm plywood for the back where the hole is. 5. The great difference is the deep (low) , medium and high tones of the Peruvian cajon, against the snare sound of of the flamenco cajon. To them it works  better using it as a drum kit. For the Peruvian music the bolero and the acoustic rock, the Peruvian cajon  works better. The ricochet technic when slaping  the high tones is what does the snare or clacking sound in the Peruvian Cajon, not the strings.

By the way you dont need a snare strap to have the snare sound in the cajon. A good cajon should have stings not a bunch of wires in the inside. Although a lot of people believe that by adding this they will get a better sound but to me they are wrong because the flamenco cajon in reality has strings in the inside not a pearl snare strap inside. With strings in the interior  you will achieve a wet metallic sound that is used in the flamenco cajon, towards the dry sound that you get from the peruvian cajon.

In its beginning  the original Peruvian cajon had its front plate completely closed, and by using it and playing it a lot it would start ungluing on the top and this would make the clacking sound of wood on wood. It was this sound that atracted Paco de Lucia and this is how the flamenco cajon has its front cover glued and with screws so at the top has it srews only but no glue. It is from that moment that the peruvian cajon is left to the option of the player he may use the completely closed one or the one open. A lot of groups use both to create some contrast in the sound.
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« Reply #36 on: February 25, 2005, 01:51 PM »

Here there is a sound sample that do not belong to my cajones but it is played by a great cajonero and some other ones from other cajoneros. These are cajon LA PERU and FLAMENKITO wich are very expensive. They come from Europe. Just to let you know that the sounds of these cajones are extremely good but the cost i believe is over 275 euros.

To be able to listen to the files you really need good speakers, with a polk audio it will sound really bad. So try to have some good speakers with some bass. Cheap speakers are useless for this files.

Flamenco cajon samples



http://www.flamenkito.com/producto_46/perunegro.wav

http://www.flamenkito.com/producto_202/cjaleo.mp3

http://www.flamenkito.com/producto_45/cduende.mp3

http://www.flamenkito.com/producto_44/cembrujo.mp3



http://www.esflamenco.com/media/video/cajon_03.mpg
http://www.esflamenco.com/media/video/cajon_04.mpg
http://www.esflamenco.com/media/video/cajon_02.mpg

Sound of cajon peruano

http://www.rumillajta.com/cajondec.mp3



Well i guess this would be all for now. Hope you guys like this sounds of great cajoneros.
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« Reply #37 on: February 25, 2005, 02:01 PM »

Rather than embedding the audio files, please just list regular links to the files - otherwise you DRASTICALLY slow down how the Cafe loads on other people's computers. Thanks.
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« Reply #38 on: February 25, 2005, 08:11 PM »

The reason why i had embeded them before, it was because some people believed that i was here only to sell my cajones. This files are in other sites, wich are also great sites to buy from, but quite expensive, to my taste.

I has been changed now. They are ready for you to download with the url.
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« Reply #39 on: February 26, 2005, 06:59 PM »

Those are nice clips trauco233 ... thanks for posting...
makes me want to buy a book on flamenco percussion...

I bet I could find a lot more info on line if I new spanish... Smiley

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