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Author Topic: Which drummer(s)'s technique have you most incorporated into your drumming???  (Read 4941 times)
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« Reply #60 on: August 01, 2005, 02:02 PM »

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« Reply #61 on: August 01, 2005, 02:31 PM »

I guess these qualify as "techniques," at least for the purposes of this thread, which I've tried to graft from these players onto my own style...and these are drummers whom I've imitated, emulated, or flat-out stolen from, even tho I'd never claim to be at their respective levels of musicianship and accomplishment:

Airto:  the way he blurs the line between "drum set" and "percussion," particularly in terms of sound production
Steve Gadd:  the first to open my eyes to the ways rudiments can be applied to drum set, and I still use about a dozen "Gadd Grooves" that I blatantly stole from him
Manu Katche:  his use of textures, and cymbal concepts, are things I'm working on to this day
Steve Houghton:  His "Studio and Big Band Drumming" book (and one lesson in college) shaped my basic concepts for interpreting charts
David Garibaldi:  "Future Sounds" continues to kick my butt

...and while he certainly didn't invent the concept of "drumming loud," Keith Cronin ("Mister_Acrolite") is the drummer who opened my eyes to the fact that hitting drums hard produces a tone quality that you just won't get at medium or softer velocities, especially (in my case) when it comes to snare drums.

There are obviously many other drummers who have influenced me over the years, but these are the guys that came to mind as I penned my reply to this thread.
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« Reply #62 on: August 01, 2005, 08:08 PM »

...and while he certainly didn't invent the concept of "drumming loud," Keith Cronin ("Mister_Acrolite") is the drummer who opened my eyes to the fact that hitting drums hard produces a tone quality that you just won't get at medium or softer velocities, especially (in my case) when it comes to snare drums.

I don't think I got my hard hitting influence from anywhere but myself. I did, however, get the idea to do rimshots from John Tempesta from Rob Zombie and Testament. I saw him on a Tama video for putting your kit together (called "Out of the box and onto the stage"). I was greatly inspired by him and his rimshots. I also was introduced to Kenny Aronoff and Mike Portnoy through this video. But that's cool that you got it from Mr. A. From what I hear, he's a hard hitter. A very hard hitter. Cheesy
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« Reply #63 on: August 04, 2005, 10:36 PM »

For me it would have to be, the ultimate, Mike Portnoy, ive tried to pick up on his creativity for clever fills and technicality, well as much as i can. I have also tried to incorporate the power and aggression of Lars Ulrichs playing and there are few traces of Matt McDonoughs playing, David Silveria and Joey Jordison.
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« Reply #64 on: August 07, 2005, 01:36 PM »

This brings me to a feeling of revulsion.  I'm not sure exactly why.  Maybe it's that no one can be themselves these days, like we have to absorb pieces of others to become whatever it is we see ourselves as.  It seems to me like eventually it's all going to become so inbred, personality-wise, that there will be a precious few individuals.

I think we absorb our influences, then our talent and level of ability put what we've learned into our music.  We should learn all we can from those who can teach us and use it.  Why reinvent the wheel?  We can build on the body of knowledge, not just endlessly repeat what's been done.  
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« Reply #65 on: August 08, 2005, 08:30 AM »

This brings me to a feeling of revulsion.  I'm not sure exactly why.  Maybe it's that no one can be themselves these days, like we have to absorb pieces of others to become whatever it is we see ourselves as.  It seems to me like eventually it's all going to become so inbred, personality-wise, that there will be a precious few individuals.

Just to take a tangent...

What do you mean "these days"? All of the influential drummers listed on this thread would (and many have when asked) openly devulge their influences. The great classical composers all had teachers and influences. "Enter through form, then exit from it."

Could you have learned to speak locked in a small box devoid of outside language input?  

Music is no different. It's an ever-evolving language. A lattice of sounds and concepts that we consciously and unconciously incorporate, imitate, and now-and-again, innovate. But I don't think we can ever seperate music from the influences of culture and media. There is nothing wrong with music being born out of our experiences, out of history. The search for a 'pure' music form, or 'pure' inspiration is futile.

John Coltrane, a voice many recognise after just a few notes (an individual?) said, "I think I was first awakened to musical exploration by Dizzy Gillespie and Bird. It was through their work that I began to learn about musical structures and the more theoretical aspects of music."

Miles Davis, an individual if there ever was one, said (about Louis Armstrong) ""You cant play nothing on modern trumpet that doesnt come from him, not even modern @$%#. I cant even remember a time when he sounded bad playing the trumpet. Never. Not even one time. He had great feeling up in his playing and he always played on the beat. I just loved the way he played and sang.""

Admit it. You listen to music. Wink

My influences change every year. When I was young it was Gadd, Philly Joe, Max Roach, a host of Basie's drummers, and my dad (just to name the ones that first come to mind). I was also deeply influenced by countless drummers while listening to music on the radio every night before I went to sleep. I didn't always know WHO the drummer was, but I remember the licks, the ideas, the feels and would try to play them on the kit.

20 years later, I'm digging hard on Bill Stewart, Billy Martin, Stanton Moore AND all the guys I hear on the radio. I'll sit and listen to radio pop just to hear what's going on. I'll just sit, thinking about how those studio cats generate the feels and grooves they do, thinking about why they get called on again and again. Picking up a trick here and a lick there. Then I go play.

I try to pick up something from everyone I hear play, even if it is what NOT to play.

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« Reply #66 on: August 08, 2005, 09:36 AM »

I try to pick up something from everyone I hear play, even if it is what NOT to play.

I'm of the same mind set.  When I listen to any live music I listen to the whole band but I focus on the drummer just to see how they mesh with their bandmates and what they do with different grooves.  Sometimes I see something I like and turn it into something I can use.  

As to who has influenced me the most - I can't think of any one drummer, everyone has.  Actually my playing abilities with bands was "rounded-out" by an older bass player I worked with for years.
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« Reply #67 on: August 08, 2005, 05:46 PM »

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« Reply #68 on: August 12, 2005, 10:02 AM »

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« Reply #69 on: August 15, 2005, 12:41 PM »

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I can't explain why, but this post really strikes me funny.
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« Reply #70 on: August 16, 2005, 07:18 AM »

I try to pick up on Buddy Rich's technique since I think he was the most fluid.

Hell,my first influence was Lars.  He has some of the best ideas for that type of music IMO.

Any drummer (good or bad) that I see playing teaches me.

I've got a quote that will put all those paragraphs of Mr. A and boomka(trying to explain to Random) into a few words from Bruce Lee-"All knowledge is self knowledge"-and you know Bruce got that knowledge off of some saint that died a few thousand years ago!

 
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« Reply #71 on: August 17, 2005, 09:18 AM »

Hey, I was reading down the list and was just going to add Carter.  I think he's great to study for the sheer variation in ghosts, hi-hat displacement and cheeky splashes he uses to fill the sound while sitting on a constant groove.  

I find learning these sorts of linear licks helps build greater limb independence because you're never relying on a constant hihat pattern, it really forces you to listen to yourself play to feel the pulse behind the unorthodox sticking.
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« Reply #72 on: August 17, 2005, 09:40 AM »

I'm in a Jerry Marotta meets Terry Bozzio-  Terry has a child named Thomas Lang phase.

Fun stuff.  Got the 12 pc set up and I still can't even get to the cymbals yet!  I might just take them back down.  Heck, I'm  still getting the drums tuned.  That will probably take a few months I'm thinking.

I don't know about you guys, but my style seems to change when I change kits as well- maybe not a whole lot, but something changes.
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« Reply #73 on: August 26, 2005, 10:57 AM »

Charlie Watts, Phil Rudd, Slim Jim Phantom, Bjork
Felix, this is a pretty diverse group here, although I have to say I am not at all suprised by the Slim Jim Phantom one. After a few years here on the board reading your posts you seem to listen to everything and let each of them influence them in their own way.

enough babbeling...back to the thread...sorry for the hi-jack

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« Reply #74 on: August 30, 2005, 04:08 PM »

Tony Williams...his vocabulary was infinite...we lost the man way too soon... Sad

Jack DeJohnette - continues to inspire me....everything he has played...

Paul Motian....phrasing, and time playing

many many more...
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« Reply #75 on: September 11, 2005, 07:43 PM »

um i use a lot of triplets on the bass drum. I can get single bass to sound like double bass (not like jo jo mayer but when u do triplets u can get a lil sumthin goin). i abuse the hi hat alot ( i can get it to sound like a ride)and i got some of those ideas from david sylveria of korn and watching a jazz drummer at work. I use one handed rolls sumtimes i got that from johnny rabb. I use lots of ghost notes but i use them at the right time. though. That came from bonzo and jimmy chamberlain. I cant wait to get double pedal!
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« Reply #76 on: September 13, 2005, 06:47 PM »

Probably Phil Rudd and Marky Ramone.  I'm much more of a straight forward time-keeper, but I can pull out the fills and solos when required.  
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« Reply #77 on: September 15, 2005, 09:00 AM »

For me it has to be Adam Pfahler (Jawbreaker) and Aaron Cometbus (Crimpshrine, Pinhead Gunpowder). Being friends with both of them and being able to see them play a lot over the years has realy helped me with my playing style. Check them out.
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« Reply #78 on: September 16, 2005, 12:47 PM »

The late great Tony Thompson.
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« Reply #79 on: September 25, 2005, 09:46 AM »

I used to know a guitar player guy that has the same attitude of "being revulsed" by other guitar player influences - funny how he never made it out of his basement. Listening and learning is standard practice and the fastest way to improve - although there is also a lot of room for creativity and inventing your own schtick.

Anyway, the guys I've borrowed from include:
- Ian paice (rock on dude!)
- Billy Cobham (snare & tom rolls)
- David Garibaldi (paradiddle funk & ghosting)
- Danny Seraphine (a plethora of drum licks)
- Dave Weckl (applied rudiments and technique)
- Bernard Purdie (shuffle master and groove keeper)
- ALL of Santanna's drummers thru the years!!
- All of the guys Acro mentioned
- oh yeah Ringo and Charlie as I've played in a lot of cover bands and had to play their parts - and they are truly awesome..
- Motown and the funk bros..

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