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Hey Bartman, I love this site - it is way cool and happy to be posting for the first time! Anyway, I was wondering if anyone out there has any experience with the Yamaha Hipgigs - to be specific, the Rick Marotta kit? I am wondering if anyone has had it for a length of period and have found anything negative with the kit - they look and sound pretty good to me so I wanted to get a guage from my peers. Thanks
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« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2002, 05:16 AM » |
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i saw them once in a clinic by dutch session drummer Ton Dijkman.....the little set packed a lot oomph for its small measures, i came away very impressed
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« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2002, 01:34 PM » |
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I saw Rick Marotta at PASIC 2001, and he even admitted that it takes a special drumhead combination to make the kick drum sound right.
In an age where we are all working to get the drums OFF the kick drum ... so the shell can freely vibrate, as well as keeping it from ovaling over time from the weight ... I'm surprised with the HipGig craze.
On the other hand, we have to keep it all in perspective. The HipGig kit was created with one main purpose in mind: to allow the drummer to have a small set-up for easy transport in a club setting (with very little room on stage).
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« Reply #3 on: June 14, 2002, 12:39 PM » |
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The HipGig kit was created with one main purpose in mind: to allow the drummer to have a small set-up for easy transport in a club setting (with very little room on stage).
And it does this very well. I can recommend it if these are the types of gigs you're doing. Sorry, I didn't see this one the first time around. I've been gigging regularly with it for about 3-4 months now. I love it. It's got a very compressed sound but packs a lot of volume. I think "punchy" is the best word to describe it. In terms of durability, no problems so far. I wondered if the kick might warp with all that weight on it, but the way the front hoop attaches, it seems to avoid that. It has memory locks everywhere, so normal setup is very quick, about 20 minutes. I've been using electronics with it, triggering the kick and the snare to a Roland SPD-20. I was having some problems troubleshooting some missed triggers, but I bought some new Pintech ones that are working beautifully. My band does a pretty varried set, so I can go from rock to funk to hip hop with it, just by changing the patches. Tomorrow I'm going to try it for the first time at a major large club (been using it for mid-sized clubs up til now). I wanted to wait until everything was cool with the triggering thing. I'm also hoping to get a gig with a drum&bass/ambient/breakbeat/jazz group that uses gobs of electronics. So this kit will work great for that if I get the gig. I think it would also make an excellent jazz kit. Anyway, rambling now. I'd recommend it if you think it'll meet your needs like I described. It meets mine very well. I love it.
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« Reply #4 on: June 14, 2002, 10:17 PM » |
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I don't really know anything about the Hipgigs, just wanted to see if Felix had posted in this thread yet. LOL!! 
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« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2002, 05:10 AM » |
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I plead the 5th.
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« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2002, 11:24 AM » |
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He's in denial. 
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« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2002, 11:58 AM » |
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LOL!! 
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« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2002, 10:42 PM » |
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Tomorrow I'm going to try it for the first time at a major large club (been using it for mid-sized clubs up til now).
So, how did it go, Sidereal? Was the Hipgig sufficient for the larger venue? How is it just miced w/o the triggers, if you've tried it this way? Finally, which Hipgig do you own? Sorry for all the questions but I am really interested in tis kit but want that additional warm and fuzzies before the purchase...
Thanks...
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« Reply #9 on: June 19, 2002, 12:01 AM » |
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It worked great actually! I was very pleasantly surprised, not to mention relieved.  I used Pintech triggers (these are bringing me far more success with this kit than the DDrums I was using before) on the kick and snare, fed to the Roland SPD-20, and out to a mono channel strip on the board. I think the reason the Pintechs work better is because they have a good sized length of cable from the trigger itself to the quarter-inch jack. So I could attach it very close to where the beater actually strikes the head and get more vibration. I miked both toms with Sennheiser e604 mics to individual preamps on the Mackie board. No overheads or additional mics. It was all beautiful. Great sound and an excellent show. People loved it, and it was nice to have the ability to change kit sounds (at least the kick/snare) for different styles of music. The toms continue to amaze me with how good they sound for their size. They're not the best in the world, but with good tuning (which is crucial with this kit) and proper EQ, they sound quite nice. Know how to tune well if you buy this kit! I have the Rick Marotta cherry red version.
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« Reply #10 on: June 19, 2002, 05:24 AM » |
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Do those things come with a snare? It worked great actually! I was very pleasantly surprised, not to mention relieved Yeah, the sound man had nothing to do with it I'm sure. Actually, my yamahas are pretty punchy and on the dry side...they have miked up great on occasion. Aren't those things the same shell construction as the older club customs....birch, mahogany and a layer of composite?
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« Reply #11 on: June 19, 2002, 10:03 AM » |
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Felix, yeah it has a snare and is birch/mahogany. I'm surprised how much sustain the toms actually have. Definitely not a big DOOOOooooommmm.... of a solid 16" floor tom, but I've always preferred smaller toms anyway.
Sushiman, I'd suggest you try them out before you make any decisions. Words we've used like "punchy" and "compressed" mean nothing until you try it out yourself. It's a very different sounding drum kit. It's like those Les Paul playing guitarists who suddenly shift over to playing a Fender strat one day. It's different, you play it differently, it sounds different. You get the picture.
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« Reply #12 on: June 19, 2002, 05:56 PM » |
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Sidereal, thanks for the great observations. I will make some time to check out the Hipgig kit sometime in the near future. I am struggling cause I'm also looking at a bigger kit in the Pearl masters series. I'm torn because I have been off not playing for a year or so and want to get back at it but just can't decide which kit I want. The financial difference doesn't really matter to me but the priority of great sound and to a lesser degree, the convenience to set up at gigs are the factor. I also do not use triggers which seems to be a big part of your set up with the Hipgigs. Peace...
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« Reply #13 on: June 19, 2002, 06:33 PM » |
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The financial difference doesn't really matter to me but the priority of great sound and to a lesser degree, the convenience to set up at gigs are the factor. I also do not use triggers which seems to be a big part of your set up with the Hipgigs.
Given that statement, I suggest you not go for the HipGig and look instead into a more conventional kit. The HipGig is made for quick setup/breakdown, convenient transport, small footprint, pretty good sound, more quirky music styles, and for placing various percussion around in easy reach. If you're playing rock 'n roll gigs and not triggering with it, it's not a kit for you.
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« Reply #14 on: September 09, 2002, 06:34 PM » |
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Since someone else on the board was asking about this kit again, I'll just say that it's held up really well through constant gigging and I still love it. I can't imagine living without it actually. Try it out in the store, and throw some muffling in the kick. Most of all, take it apart and put it back together. I've gotten to the point where I can now set up my rig -- electronics, vocals and all -- in under 20 minutes. If you're going to use it for jazz, it works really well. Might want to consider a second snare drum. For playing rock in clubs, you'd better get your triggering and programming skills in order. For the first time, I'm going to use this kit on a recording session. It's a minimal miking kind of thing (stereo) for intentionally "indie" type sound. I'm very curious to see (hear) how it records. But keep in mind that this is not your standard kit. It's quirky... like me. 
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