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« Reply #40 on: November 04, 2005, 07:21 AM »

Isaac! Sure am glad you found this place! It's nice to have someone of your experience and expertise aboard!!

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« Reply #41 on: November 04, 2005, 07:31 AM »

I notice that I never posted a follow-up once I started playing my mule skin so, here it is:

WOW!  It sounds great!  It has exactly the sound I was looking for and I no longer dread to solo with my quinto.  I'm especially happy with the multiple sweet spots I've found when trying different tunings.  I had been playing it with a fairly high-pitched tuning with one of my bands where the percusion was more African than Afro-Cuban.   Now, I'm tuning it lower playing with a smooth jazz band for a mellower sound (less reliant on the sharp slaps).  It sounds great at that pitch, also.

I know Isaac is not the only guy out there selling these kind of wares that really cares about the quality, the sound, and most of all, the player.  But, he definitely does care!  He helped me every step of the way.
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« Reply #42 on: December 30, 2005, 03:52 PM »

Ok, bongo here again on my original post.

I just re-skinned my old Gon Bop quinto with a Funky Tradition 18" mule skin and it went real smooth ... I have gotten better at it and don't sweat as much. Took me maybe an hour and a half, and I wasn't in a hurry.

I think the 18" diameter skin for my 9 3/4 " quinto was perfect. Before I had used a 22" skin thinking it gave me more to work with, but instead got in the way.

The mule skin looks good and I hope has a lot of music in it. I'm going to beat that mule and make it bray.

The Pakistan cow skin head was a loss, not sure why, maybe it was too thick, maybe just a bum head. You know how human skin changes with age, losses its elasticity and wrinkles? Maybe that has something to do with it, that and as Isaac mentioned, diet and climate in Pakistan. I'm never wasting my time with a Pakistan head again!

I'll let this new head cure a while and report back on the the sound results!
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« Reply #43 on: December 30, 2005, 10:30 PM »

you're going to love your quinto!  It's funny to me how the sound of different drums/heads/tunings combinations impacts one's playing styles.  I think, for me, it was a matter of playing "around" a drum that I did not love.  Now, I love all my drums so, it's like starting over.
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« Reply #44 on: December 31, 2005, 10:53 AM »

It is only 24 hours and the mule skin head is sounding good. I noticed as it was drying only a few hours that the head developed a nice tone.

This tells me that if you got a good head you can tell much more rapidly than I thought. It may take a month to 'cure' and develop the final sound, but I think you can tell pretty quick if it is going to be good or not.

This head is a keeper.
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« Reply #45 on: January 14, 2006, 03:15 PM »

It has been a couple of weeks now, so here is an update;

The mule skin is a quality head, no doubt, but may not be the one for this quinto, I am pretty picky about the sound. Isaac wrote and advised not to hurry to judge, that these mule skin heads take 2-3 month to develop their sound.

The gripe I got is the head has a treble ring to the open tone, a little harsh, and the slaps are just so so. I like a head where the open note has a hollow coconut, nutty sound, if you know what I mean, a rich tone, somewhat attenuated, that contrasts nicely with the slap. Gon Bop!!
Hard to explain, but I know when I have it.

I'll give it another couple of months to age and see what then. I may go back to bull or cow skin.
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« Reply #46 on: January 15, 2006, 09:54 AM »

maybe, just maybe, the skin is thinner than you like.  I don't know if it will "come in" for you because we each have the sound that we're looking for.  I like mine - it was a kind of "medium" in thickness so, it's rich enough for my tastes.  I'm playing with a lower tuning, now, than I used to play but not because of the skin or even necessarily the sweet spot - the music I'm playing now is really more suited to using a lower tuning.  

I have found at least 2 sweet spots with the new mule skin on my quinto - one pretty high and one a few steps lower.  I certainly can agree that both musical style and taste will have the biggest influence on whether you will be happy.  What works well for me, may be unacceptable to another player.

Here's hoping that the skin mellows for you and you don't have to repeat the exercise with a different skin.  You might try the lanolin treatment and see if that helps before you abandon the skin altogether.  The main point is that you and only you will be the judge and happiness is what it's all about.  Wink
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« Reply #47 on: January 15, 2006, 11:00 AM »

Great post Old Guy!
I was going to reply before with something like Al's post, and he beat me to it! Great minds thing alike, right Al!?
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The Gon Bop 9 3/4" is such an interesting animal. I've been playing my friend's quinto with which I've been taking unofficial lessons for the past two years, and still learning to hit it so that it speaks just right. It certainly does have it's own particular characteristics. You've got to approach it with less hand than my 10", and your hand must stay on the drum a tiny bit longer, almost like a muffled tone to get just the right note on the tones.

Bob, since I've played your drums, I know the characterstic you're looking for, and believe you when you say you like that nutty deep smooth tone.
Try muffling it a bit on the tones and see how that goes!
You can dry out the ring just enough to get that note with a thin head.

The slap has to be spread out flatter a bit and slighty back to the bearing edge as well.

Good luck!
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maybe, just maybe, the skin is thinner than you like.  I don't know if it will "come in" for you because we each have the sound that we're looking for.  I like mine - it was a kind of "medium" in thickness so, it's rich enough for my tastes.  I'm playing with a lower tuning, now, than I used to play but not because of the skin or even necessarily the sweet spot - the music I'm playing now is really more suited to using a lower tuning.  

I have found at least 2 sweet spots with the new mule skin on my quinto - one pretty high and one a few steps lower.  I certainly can agree that both musical style and taste will have the biggest influence on whether you will be happy.  What works well for me, may be unacceptable to another player.

Here's hoping that the skin mellows for you and you don't have to repeat the exercise with a different skin.  You might try the lanolin treatment and see if that helps before you abandon the skin altogether.  The main point is that you and only you will be the judge and happiness is what it's all about.  Wink
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« Reply #48 on: January 15, 2006, 11:52 AM »

maybe, just maybe, the skin is thinner than you like.  I don't know if it will "come in" for you because we each have the sound that we're looking for.  

Yes, I wondered if its too thin. It still has a chance to come around, so I'll give it some time, work on the tunings. I usually work the tuning off the tumba, find the quinto and conga notes that make a good melody off the tumba. Maybe I'll reverse that and work down from the quintos sweet spot, if I can find a sweet spot with this skin ...

The Gon Bop 9 3/4" is such an interesting animal. I've been playing my friend's quinto with which I've been taking unofficial lessons for the past two years, and still learning to hit it so that it speaks just right. It certainly does have it's own particular characteristics. You've got to approach it with less hand than my 10", and your hand must stay on the drum a tiny bit longer, almost like a muffled tone to get just the right note on the tones.

Bob, since I've played your drums, I know the characterstic you're looking for, and believe you when you say you like that nutty deep smooth tone.
Try muffling it a bit on the tones and see how that goes!
You can dry out the ring just enough to get that note with a thin head.


David,
Thanks for your thoughts.
I know the old skin had the sound I was looking for and I could get it without changing the way I execute an open note. The idea to muffle an open note is something I sometimes do to modulate the sound, but is not something I want to do all the time, especially in faster rythyms.

The open tone should be just that, open, strike the head and pull the hand back and let the drum speak.

The Gon Bop 9" 3/4" quinto IS an interesting animal, rather out of fashion these days of 11 inch 'quintos'.

I see Timba Percussion is making 9" 3/4" re-quintos again, and since they are the old Gon Bop factory, I bet they got the sound. I have been impressed more recently with Timbas improved quality.

Now if you want strange and interesting animal, try my 9 inch Skin on Skin quinto. This drum has really come around ... talk about hollow coconut, yes.

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« Reply #49 on: February 27, 2006, 08:22 PM »

This is a great post and great info...

I am going to attempt to re-skin my first heads and pretty much have the idea from everything here. BUT I had this same question that never seemed to get answered..
what about the moisture from the newly mounted skin soaking into the wood on the bearing edge?  is that a concern?  I was thinking about rubbing a little beeswax onto the bearing edge before I put the damp skin onto it.  
I was thinking of covering the drum with plastic wrap and then mount the head. When it dried I could remove the head and plastic, put head back on and tune. Is this a real concern???
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« Reply #50 on: February 28, 2006, 06:41 AM »

I don't think moisture on the wood is realy a concern, when changing skins.
The skin is wet, yes, but it's not like a sponge.  You can wipe it off before you put it on, so there is less water on the surface.  
I did quite a bit of reading before changing skins on my drums, and no one expressed any concern about wood getting wet.
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