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I'm sure this have been discussed earlier sometime...But, here it comes again. Just wondering what you guys are thinking of or feeling in your body and mind when you really lock into a groove and keep a steady beat. I know there's people move their body while grooving to get some kind of physical metronome going...(or something like that  ). Some others have subdivisions in their heads. My main problem is to keep steady time when playing even the simplest grooves. I'm pretty cool playing with a click and along to records but I've noticed sometimes at bandpractice that my time doesn't feel steady and the tempo may vary a lot sometimes. My bandmembers don't have the best time in the world either, can I say...  I know I have to practice more with the metronome and stuff but I'd love to hear your guys have inside your heads while grooving. What's your formula of keeping good time and grooving? Simply just playing relaxed and not thinking of time at all? (that's my dream...)
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« Reply #1 on: April 01, 2005, 09:44 AM » |
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when I am playing alone, my time varies a lot, and I just don't care. Most of the time in that situation, there is no reason to emphasize keeping good time. When playing with other musicians, I don't seem to have any trouble keeping time. Usually, what is running through my head at that point is either "wow, I wish this was being recorded..." or "wow, I hope they change the music soon, this sucks!"
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« Reply #2 on: April 01, 2005, 10:24 AM » |
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when I am playing alone, my time varies a lot, and I just don't care. Most of the time in that situation, there is no reason to emphasize keeping good time. When playing with other musicians, I don't seem to have any trouble keeping time. Usually, what is running through my head at that point is either "wow, I wish this was being recorded..." or "wow, I hope they change the music soon, this sucks!"
There is no reason to emphasize keeping good time? Even if you are playing alone, you should be emphasizing good time, it will carry over to your performances with other musicians. If you're a drummer, keeping time is your main job, how could it ever not be worth emphasizing? To answer the posted question, I don't "think" that much when I play, when I do, it gets me into trouble. I think I've always found this to be true. If you're playing with a click, try and relax and you'll have a better "flow". I find click tracks very overbearing, people aren't perfect, but clicks are.
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« Reply #3 on: April 01, 2005, 11:22 AM » |
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I think about sounds. I think about the sounds from the rest of the band and the sounds I want to make from the drums to fit with them. Normally, I'm only half counting, since most situations I can just feel the beats and measures. For extended syncopated rhythms, I count them more directly.
I don't see anything wrong with not worrying about time when playing alone. Since it is usually the primary focus on drums, a break from it now and then is fun. I usually practice with a metronome to emphasize time, but when I want to have a good time (pardon the pun), I turn off the metronome. I can relax a little more, and the creativity flows much better because I naturally gravitate to whatever tempo is necessary to whatever idea comes across my mind. Then, after finding some good ideas, I go back and work them with the metronome.
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« Reply #4 on: April 01, 2005, 06:26 PM » |
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basically "what can i do to make this sound better?" and after a song that goes good, i get real jittery. its not exactly this best habit. 
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« Reply #5 on: April 01, 2005, 07:22 PM » |
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My main problem is to keep steady time when playing even the simplest grooves. I'm pretty cool playing with a click and along to records but I've noticed sometimes at bandpractice that my time doesn't feel steady and the tempo may vary a lot sometimes. My bandmembers don't have the best time in the world either,
I try not to focus too much (if at all) on my guitarists, especially if they don't keep good time. I try to stay in my own world and play what I'm supposed to play and let them follow me instead.
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« Reply #6 on: April 02, 2005, 01:50 AM » |
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I always wonder how my hair looks or if that cute girl @ the front of the stage is looking at me or Steve (lead singer).
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« Reply #7 on: April 02, 2005, 02:48 AM » |
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I don't explicitly think about time-keeping much when I'm playing, unless it's something very slow so I need to count/tap the subdivisions, or a complicated or syncopated thing which I'm not terribly comfortable with yet.
There is one song my band plays however, where I do tend to get a bit of a rocking motion going with my body, not really intentionally, it just feels good and in my opinion makes the song groove a bit more.
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« Reply #8 on: April 02, 2005, 02:52 AM » |
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I try not to focus too much (if at all) on my guitarists, especially if they don't keep good time. I try to stay in my own world and play what I'm supposed to play and let them follow me instead.
Have you tried this approach with a metronome or a click, to see how spot-on you are? It would be rather edifying to know for certain that you play on-time with others, if not by yourself (which is a poor habit to have in the case of needing to lay down a track [unless you don't plan on laying down a track—but why limit yourself?]). To my knowledge, I think normally (with drifting thoughts, etc.), with the addition of my minding the hi-hat cymbal to keep things even (or to have a steady pulse among "uneven" playing, if that be the case).
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I'm not a particularly slow player, yet I don't play fast. I play half-fast.
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« Reply #9 on: April 02, 2005, 07:59 AM » |
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my body is literally itching to dance...
if i dont feel like dancing, neither will my audience.
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« Reply #10 on: April 02, 2005, 10:57 AM » |
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I guess the only way to get good time is experience and hard work with the click...I just would like a little shortcut...  Well I guess I'll stick to moving-the-upper body and left foot in in time and just hope for the best... that is, getting more confidence playing simple backbeat music... I tell you guys. Don't you ever go and think you're good! I've done that for a year now when I haven't had a teacher... Record yourself when practicing or playing with others and you may see what I'm talking about...  It's not funny at all when you call yourself a drummer and can't keep steady time...
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« Reply #11 on: April 02, 2005, 01:30 PM » |
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i've noticed that anytime i really feel grooving, there is nothing going on except grooving. i sort of feel you have to be a sponge and soak up everything else going on and be a part of the whole. my drumming approach is to stay relaxed, even while putting out lots of energy, and stay open for playing what i feel in the moment - just let it happen.
i also think that if you aren't keeping good time, you aren't grooving... the time should just "be there".
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« Reply #12 on: April 02, 2005, 02:03 PM » |
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i was playing keyboards for a band who was on tour doing school assembly programs in 92. the drummer in that band had basically the same problem. he had great chops, and fills, but his timing was terrible. being mainly a drummer myself, it drove me nuts. what i did for him, i made him buy a metronome with an earpiece, and lay down with it at night when he went to bed. something like this might help you as well. get one, lay down with it, go over grooves in your head, fills, just anything. get it in your head what it feels like to hear stuff in time. since that is what your goal actually is, to not really have to think about it just feel it. also, if your stringed coherts have bad timing, block them out of your head, make em follow you. once your timing improves and they get used to it, they will get better also. too, i found in live situations, if you pay attention to your snare or your kick and try to keep one or the other as even as possible.
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« Reply #13 on: April 02, 2005, 02:07 PM » |
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drumguru, that's a cool suggestion that might help some people out. i think part of the key is to have solid time in the body, but allow the playing to flow.
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« Reply #14 on: April 02, 2005, 02:30 PM » |
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I'm sure this have been discussed earlier sometime...But, here it comes again. Just wondering what you guys are thinking of or feeling in your body and mind when you really lock into a groove and keep a steady beat. I know I have to practice more with the metronome and stuff but I'd love to hear your guys have inside your heads while grooving. What's your formula of keeping good time and grooving? Simply just playing relaxed and not thinking of time at all? (that's my dream...)
Groove comes from your heart not your head. Practice your chops and patterns with your head and practice your groove (ahead, behind, on the click) with your heart. Then you put the two together. When you are REALLY good you can sight read with great groove. You can have all the lessons in the world, but your groove/feel is what makes you unique as a drummer. It comes easier for some people, harder for others. That's just my opinion on it. Play with some really good musicians/bass players- they will help you get the feel of "locking in". Once you are in the groove you get the big "sound" and man, you just don't wanna even play a fill the sound is so good. When you get to that point, you really are indeed a drummer.
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« Reply #15 on: April 03, 2005, 12:15 AM » |
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Well it has to be with a great groovin bass player for it to work for me. I hook up with his line and he hooks into my bass drum. Then we work over the top of that. There is only one guy that I can really get that deep pocket with.
I think about the ONE and play the pulse around it...which takes care of the time. Usually I shut my eyes unless we come to a part that may need some visual communicaiton. My shoulders and head sway a little, yep the body has to go with it. I look for the spell or the zen of a deep groove when things kinda go on auto-pilot.
Then we have some fun. If you are in a deep groove it is fun to play around the bass player and have him play off it. Therea are thousands of small adjustments we both make to keep it tasty. But like I said, without a grooving bass player you can't really explore the pocket.
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« Reply #16 on: April 03, 2005, 07:34 PM » |
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I'm usually thinking "man, I wish the sax player would put down that shaker. He's really ruining the groove"
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« Reply #17 on: April 04, 2005, 07:32 AM » |
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Hopefully, while I'm grooving, everyone else is too!
But the answer is Nothing. I try to allow my brain to be as uncluttered as possible while playing, too much stuff floating around in there tends to get in the way of the music. I meditate for a period before playing and strive to empty my mind of distractions, worries, problems etc. If my mind is cluttered, so is my music.
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« Reply #18 on: April 05, 2005, 11:39 AM » |
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There is no reason to emphasize keeping good time? Even if you are playing alone, you should be emphasizing good time, it will carry over to your performances with other musicians. If you're a drummer, keeping time is your main job, how could it ever not be worth emphasizing?
Simply put... because I dont usually play a beat more than 10 seconds at a time without changing up anyway. When I am playing by myself, I am not PRACTICING.. just playing. I do not play in a band... the only time I play with anyone else is when a friend comes over and jams with me. My MAIN job is to have fun.
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« Reply #19 on: April 06, 2005, 08:27 AM » |
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My MAIN job is to have fun.
Keeping good time is fun. In fact, it's so fun that other musicians will want to have fun with you. And as your timekeeping gets better, better musicians will want to jam with you. Whether you realize it or not, when you are just playing alone and not practicing. . . you're practicing. Every good habit you have formed and every bad habit that goes uncorrected will become more ingrained in your playing. To answer the original question, in performance I try not to analyze it too much. Usually I am "in the music" and having fun. If the alarm goes off in the internal clock then I do a quick analysis to see why things aren't feeling good and try to correct it. Here's an anecdote: In college, when the conductor of the Wind Ensemble heard something "sour" he would stop the rehearsal and begin to tune the offending chord starting with the low brass and go all the way up. One day my percussion instructor who is also a composer, brought in a piece that he was working on in to the Wind Ensemble rehearsal. When the group would play a chord out of tune, he would simply say "Okay, this time when we get to bar 37 play it in tune". I was amazed to discover that often times, just being aware of the problem is enough. Likewise, when I'm playing a groove the only question in my mind is "is it feeling good?" Good luck!
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