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« Reply #20 on: April 06, 2005, 10:29 AM » |
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Simply put... because I dont usually play a beat more than 10 seconds at a time without changing up anyway. When I am playing by myself, I am not PRACTICING.. just playing. I do not play in a band... the only time I play with anyone else is when a friend comes over and jams with me. My MAIN job is to have fun.
Everyone has different expectations in whatever they do. If this is his(her) expectation and they have no desire to go beyond this point, then fine. I can respect that. However, I do believe this is an unreal expectation from a drummer. To ignore the basic compnent of timekeeping in drumming shows a lack of respect for the craft. JMHO. |
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« Reply #21 on: April 07, 2005, 07:02 AM » |
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ignore? I don't ignore it. I just dont find a need to think about it while playing alone. lol. It amazes me how irnorant people are becomming about my statement. Take it for what its worth. I dont find the need to think about it that much. I keep good time when I play. Did you ever consider the possibility that not ALL people HAVE to count out loud in order to keep time? I have the upmost respect for the "craft", but I am rapidly running out of respect for others who share my "craft". It is time to move on!
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« Reply #22 on: April 07, 2005, 11:11 AM » |
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my time varies a lot, and I just don't care This does tend to give the impression that you ignore it.... Maybe you just didn't express yourself very well at first. So you don't actively think about keeping time whilst practising, that's ok (in my opinion), whereas being aware of your time fluctuating and not doing anything about it isn't ok. At any rate, you don't need to attack other people for offering their advice (re: "Did you ever consider... in order to keep time?") |
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« Reply #23 on: April 07, 2005, 11:17 AM » |
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I wasnt attacking others I was defending myself, as that was the 3rd post attacking me for what I said. My time varies because I start on something fast, then end up slowing down kinda progressing into another beat. I switch up beats a lot in an attempt to deviate from my normal beats. It becomes tiresome when others claim I have no respect for drumming because of this. It is even more tiresome to be accused of attacking someone when I am trying to defend myself. But, it seems all forums are the same in this regard. whatever, i dont even care anymore.
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« Reply #24 on: April 07, 2005, 01:19 PM » |
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The third post (mine) most certainly was not meant as an attack.
I simply think keeping proper time is one of the most important aspects of playing. I have a blast when I play, but I still care about keeping time.
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« Reply #25 on: April 07, 2005, 01:53 PM » |
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ZX - your language skills are tripping you up here. had you expressed more completely what it was you were doing in your first post people might not have interpreted it in the manner they did. from what you wrote it seems as though you don't care about timekeeping.
so perhaps you want to look at what you wrote vs what you meant. it's one thing for you to understand what you mean when you type something, but try to express it in a way that leaves no room for misinterpretation and we'll all get along better.
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« Reply #26 on: April 07, 2005, 11:08 PM » |
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my body is literally itching to dance...
if i dont feel like dancing, neither will my audience.
Well put. My main goal in music is to make people dance, so I dance too. Now, when I'm not playing something to get people dancing, I'm a statue with moveable wrists and ankles. |
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« Reply #27 on: April 08, 2005, 07:29 AM » |
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ignore? I don't ignore it. I just dont find a need to think about it while playing alone. lol. It amazes me how irnorant people are becomming about my statement. Take it for what its worth. I dont find the need to think about it that much. I keep good time when I play. Did you ever consider the possibility that not ALL people HAVE to count out loud in order to keep time? I have the upmost respect for the "craft", but I am rapidly running out of respect for others who share my "craft". It is time to move on!
Well, as it has been pointed out, your language gave many readers the impression that timekeeping was not a priority. You cleared that up in a way that also gives the impression that you were somehow attacked and disrespected, where clearly the responses went out of the way to clarify that if if this what you want out of drumming, than that was cool. If you have problems on every forum you vist It is even more tiresome to be accused of attacking someone when I am trying to defend myself. But, it seems all forums are the same in this regard. whatever, i dont even care anymore. then perhaps you should examine the lowest common denominator in that equation. |
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« Reply #28 on: April 09, 2005, 07:18 PM » |
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When Im playing I just feel the beat and keep the beat going in my head and when I really get into it thats when I move my body, I dont have the best either but just feel the beat in your head and remember to count if you dont play with a metronome
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« Reply #29 on: May 16, 2005, 12:44 PM » |
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When I play, I eather totally zone out, and kinda of wake up when the song is finished, and go...hmmmm
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or I am nurvious so I am concintrating on what I am playing
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when I am by my self, I have nothing going on in my head, 2 hours will easly be passed through the window.
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« Reply #30 on: May 16, 2005, 02:16 PM » |
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I find it easier to lock into a groove if I push my elbows slightly into my side. Don't ask me why!
I think grooving has something to do with your whole body being in time. You may have to breathe in time, but I am not sure.
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« Reply #31 on: May 17, 2005, 02:42 PM » |
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Well it has to be with a great groovin bass player for it to work for me. I hook up with his line and he hooks into my bass drum. Then we work over the top of that. There is only one guy that I can really get that deep pocket with.
I think about the ONE and play the pulse around it...which takes care of the time. Usually I shut my eyes unless we come to a part that may need some visual communicaiton. My shoulders and head sway a little, yep the body has to go with it. I look for the spell or the zen of a deep groove when things kinda go on auto-pilot.
Then we have some fun. If you are in a deep groove it is fun to play around the bass player and have him play off it. Therea are thousands of small adjustments we both make to keep it tasty. But like I said, without a grooving bass player you can't really explore the pocket.
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Oxford an I must be from the same school!I notice that when in the middle of anything,if I start to think about it and dont just let it flow,thats when the whole feel just goes down the tubes.Lock in and go. |
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« Reply #32 on: May 17, 2005, 03:50 PM » |
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when playing with the band, i am thinking about where i am in the tune, as i have a tendency to space. then i think about what the next tune is.
when alone, i'm groovin' in my seat and moving my stomach. i find the groove is rooted in the belly and the butt; that's where the energy is, so a little wiggle here and there is good.
re: the timing thing, i think one of the best 'exercises' you can do is stay on the same groove for like 5 or 7 minutes. it forces you to focus, and it really helps your pocket. plus, a lot of tunes call for you to play the same thing the whole way through. i used to think that was boring, but it's actually pretty cool. to keep the same exact thing feeling good for a long stretch takes effort and forces you to fight boredom. and if you do it well, people want to get up and boogie to your playing.
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« Reply #33 on: May 23, 2005, 09:17 PM » |
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when alone, i'm groovin' in my seat and moving my stomach. i find the groove is rooted in the belly and the butt; that's where the energy is, so a little wiggle here and there is good.
re: the timing thing, i think one of the best 'exercises' you can do is stay on the same groove for like 5 or 7 minutes. it forces you to focus, and it really helps your pocket. plus, a lot of tunes call for you to play the same thing the whole way through. i used to think that was boring, but it's actually pretty cool. to keep the same exact thing feeling good for a long stretch takes effort and forces you to fight boredom. and if you do it well, people want to get up and boogie to your playing.
Wiggle.... Interesting...... I think I'd better just stop and go on to the next point... That's a good pointer Smog! Certain songs keep a certain rhythm going and if we lose focus, we could alter the tempo or just lose the "feeling" of the groove. However, the question BEGS to be asked: According to your tag line "you try to think but nothing happens"... So..... What gives?  Anyway, I don't think a whole lot when I'm playing unless it's a new tune and I'm trying to make sure I hit all the changes. Mostly I just enjoy the music! |
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« Reply #34 on: May 24, 2005, 12:07 AM » |
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In my experience all good drummers dont focus on time. They have a mind set that feels it. I dont want to be discuraging but it seems like it might not be an easily cured problem. You could try using different ways to aproach drumming. I dont have any suggestions; some one else might?
However, you do need to be intreverted and not extraverted. Dont think of what else you can be doing. Think of how you can do what you are doing.
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« Reply #35 on: May 24, 2005, 12:45 PM » |
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my body is literally itching to dance...
if i dont feel like dancing, neither will my audience.
This is me too! When I play drums it is like I am dancing, always swinging and swaying. I love to dance. It is fun. Most songs we play are fun to play. I like having fun. I am happy when I have fun. It lets me get creative in my playing and I find myself doing some cool stuff I've not done before. When this happens I momentarily get distracted and try to do it on purpose. If I try to do something on purpose then I am no longer having fun and instead I am doing work. If I nail it right away -great! If not, oh well time to go back to fun. Steady time-keeping has always seemed effortless for me. However I am not a human metronome by any means, still, no one has complained. Having never taken a lesson I must give credit/thanks for my "gift" to the One Above. I'm sorry I could not suggest anything not already mentioned and I have always found it difficult to teach/share with others a talent "given" me. Now, my "day" job I could teach anyone, as I had intensive schooling fot it. |
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« Reply #36 on: June 09, 2005, 09:39 AM » |
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my body is literally itching to dance...
if i dont feel like dancing, neither will my audience.
i feel the same way. i kinda get in a zone where you are having a conversation with the other people you are grooving, knowing when you shut your mouth, and knowing when to put your two cents in. |
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"I basically think about my financial situation. I count every, like beat I...I play, every note I play, and I figure out how many notes I give in, into the space... out into space.. umm for how much I'm gettin' paid... and I'm workin' cheap.." |
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« Reply #38 on: June 17, 2005, 01:19 PM » |
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what a depressing way to look at it.
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« Reply #39 on: June 17, 2005, 08:22 PM » |
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"I basically think about my financial situation. I count every, like beat I...I play, every note I play, and I figure out how many notes I give in, into the space... out into space.. umm for how much I'm gettin' paid... and I'm workin' cheap.." LOL "Can you say, 'bass?'" ("Man, I don't wake up 'til the sun is warm...") |
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