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hankster
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« on: May 30, 2005, 05:58 PM »

i have a set of ludwig 1125s. i have evan o-rings on the heads with the snare having 2 plus 2 baseball cards in the snares.  the sound is ok but i'm ready for new heads. are the remo pinstripes and evans G2 s about equal or are they completley different?the rack toms sound  low, loud. the floor is also loud but has a slight ring to it.  also what is a natural sounding tom supposed to sound like?
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optomagis
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« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2005, 05:41 AM »

Pinstripes have less resonance than the G2, so if you want the shell to resonate and 'express' its 'natural' sound more, then go the G2, if you prefer a much more 'pizza box' sound, then go the Pinstripe.

Evan's hydrolic heads are the equivalent to the Pinstripe, and I would say the Emperor (Remo) is the equivalent to the G2. So in all the G2 and Pinstripe aren't totally different as they're both 2 ply and give a more controlled sound... but the G2 has less of a 'thud' and more of a 'open' sound.

If the rack toms sound low and loud, thats fine if you want that... if you wanted muffled and high, you'd probably go the Pinstripe and tune it really tight... No offence, but I'm not sure what your point is there...

The ringing in your floor tom is most likely overtones from the shell, you can eliminate these if you don't like them (different skins and tuning, moongel, tape, o rings etc), but honestly, when playing a gig, they probably won't be that prominent and will be taken out by the other instruments...

As for you last point, there really isn't a proper natural sound; if the drum sounds horrible, it can still be natural, but just not in tune... this is probably getting frustrating.... try http://home.earthlink.net/~prof.sound/index.html for a great guide to tuning... listen to recordings and find the sound you like, then experiement with the same skins your favourite drum sounds use (it won't be exact because of production, triggers, drum quality, attributes etc...) but better than nothing. Hope this wasn't confusing...

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« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2005, 10:09 AM »

Here are the specs of G2s and Emporers:

They consist of 2 plies of 7mm, free floating, mylar film. This allows less resonance for less overtones. This is because the two plies help each other to cancel out each other's overtones, thus leaving a warm, clean sound.

Here are the specs of Hydraulics and Pinstripes:

Pinstripes are like emporer heads, but with a couple of differences. There is a stripe on the outer diameter of the head, and outside of that stripe is a certain material between the two plies. This helps cancel out the high frequencies and some of the ring that occurs on the outside of the head. For an example of this, hit a tympani in the center and then on the outer diameter. Notice that the head rings more on the outer part than in the center. Same concept here.

Hydraulics do not just dampen the outer part of the head, but the whole part. This may account for even more deadness than pinstripes. It is basically like a G2 with a few drops of oil between the plies. This is a great concept for studio drums, as they make the drums sound dead, punchy, and focused. But in a live situation, they won't cut through very well on those loud songs.

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What I suggest is that you try out this setup:

8" toms and smaller: Double Thin or Studio X

10" toms to 12" toms: Response 2

13" toms and larger: Performace 2


Trust me. I have experimented with this. It works best on my kit with this setup. On my 6" and 8" timbalitos, I have studio x clears with a power dot in the center. This gives me the durability, dampening, and that still-natural sound that I need on them. On my 12" tom, I have a response 2 clear. This is like an average between a G2 and a Pinstripe. It sounds like a G2, but is slightly more tame. On my 13" and 16" toms, I have clear performance 2s. These are similar to the pinstripe, except there is a larger stripe around the edge, and the head is sealed on the outside instead of stuffed. BTW, all the heads I use (with the exception of my 12" and 13" bottom heads) are Aquarian. You should seriously check out the Superkick Series for the bass drum, and the Hi-Energy Snare head for your snare drum (if you hit hard. If not, I'd say go for a Texture Coated Power Dot, also by Aquarian).

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« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2005, 03:11 AM »

I think your problem lies in tuning to get what you desire. Purchase heads designed for your style of playing, both resonant and batter, then use Bart's or others' tuning lessons to assist you.

We all have our preferences re "the right sound", and ultimately it all comes down to tuning. Research head mfgr's recommendations and this and other sites re tuning.

Once you have the tuning concept down, you can produce what you desire if you have purchased the proper heads for your style of play.
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« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2005, 08:42 AM »

I like evans more I think they give a wider selection and they are really versatille.  I say you just play one them and see which one you feel is better, it's all about personal playing style.
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hankster
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« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2005, 12:19 PM »

thanks guys for all your input.  i'm going with the pinstripes. my next question is should i buy bottom heads or keep the originals?  i'm not in a band . i just put on my headphones and drum for a few hours to 60's soul, blues, and 60's classic rock.
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