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« Reply #20 on: September 22, 2005, 09:59 AM »

They make a custom master sounds. I think the A series is a bit boring, the fast splashes are nice and the A Zildjian & Cie vintage series are very prime. But an A. Zildjian Medum or Medium Thin crash or ride is about as plane jane as you can get.
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« Reply #21 on: September 22, 2005, 05:20 PM »

IMHO, the most underrated snare drums around are the Premier "Modern Classic" line - and I think Premier gear in general is underrated, but especially the MC snares.  Outstanding instruments.
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« Reply #22 on: September 22, 2005, 05:22 PM »

Holy crap I just got a drum dial last night, my life has changed, every peice of percussion i own sounds amazing now.
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« Reply #23 on: September 27, 2005, 10:21 AM »

How about Guitar Center (Sound Percussion) 5A Nylon tip drum sticks.  Have used Vater, and Promark before, and just ran through them because they broke....oh and Yamaha hardware - just love it!
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« Reply #24 on: September 27, 2005, 10:33 AM »

Holy crap I just got a drum dial last night, my life has changed, every peice of percussion i own sounds amazing now.

Congratulations.  Some of the great sound is better tuning and part may be that you expect to hear an improvement based on the investment in the drum dial.  Drum Dials do work well but they are not a cure all for tuning problems.  
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« Reply #25 on: September 27, 2005, 10:44 AM »

Yah I'm trying to use it to learn how to do it by hear, if that makes any sese. I was really stuck in the idea that all lugs had to be screwed down equally for it to be tuned properly boy was i wrong. In general I think this is going to make me a better tuner. Plus now I know which of my drums are lower quality bearing edges. My pork pies...tune up like a ferrari...my grestch catilina rock...more like a honda.
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« Reply #26 on: September 27, 2005, 11:01 AM »

My pork pies...tune up like a ferrari...my grestch catilina rock...more like a honda.

You should experiment with different tunings on the Gretsch.  The chart that comes with the Dial is only a ballpark setting.  Each drum will have a tuning, actually 2 (one high and one low) where it will sound the best.  Also each head/shell/playing technique combination will have different sound qualities.  
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« Reply #27 on: September 27, 2005, 02:13 PM »

No I just mean the bearing edges arn't that well done, i love how the kit sounds, the 30 degree bearing edges are so low in sustain and tone that you really can't tell.
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« Reply #28 on: September 28, 2005, 05:38 PM »

The only thing I can think of at the moment is that I think Zildjian A series cymbals are over-rated.  It's stretch, I suppose, to say that, but they certainly aren't as good as they used to be.

Old fashioned, out of style? Maybe.

Overated? No way!

Zildjian A series are just what they are, classic.
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« Reply #29 on: September 28, 2005, 09:18 PM »

Underrated:
Ludwig Speed King pedal
Yamaha Flying Dragon direct drive pedal
Wuhan splashes

Overrated:
Every single sheet-bronze cymbal that was ever made
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« Reply #30 on: September 28, 2005, 11:22 PM »

DW hardcore beater....not nessicarly under rated just under talked about i justt got one the design looks great can't wait to use it tomorrow i'll report b ack with my findings.
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« Reply #31 on: September 29, 2005, 01:18 AM »

Old fashioned, out of style? Maybe.

Overated? No way!

Zildjian A series are just what they are, classic.
No, I don't mean they're out of style.  I mean they aren't nearly as good as they were in the '70s and early '80s.  There is a sonic difference.  I've tried dozens of current A crashes and they sound clanky to me, unlike those I bought years ago.
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« Reply #32 on: September 29, 2005, 11:17 AM »

Underated: TAYE Drums

I wanted to check out an Ayote set a few months back, went to a drum shop and learned a few things. "We can't stock Ayote's, they are only avalable factory direct or online ( like Carvin Guitars and amps...ugh) Well that sucks, how can I demo  Ayote drums without playing them?

The drum pro then shows me a TAYE set. "These , my man, are Ayotes". It seems Ray Ayote agrees with my view about having drums out there in retail shops so drummers can actually see and play them. He was so pissed with his Canadian co-owners controlling HIS Ayote designs and marketing ( factory only purchasing) that he sold out his interest in his name sake company.
Ray then shopped a quality offshore manufacturer to make his Ayote designs, this being TAYE. And Taye's are available at drums retailers. Ayote's with offshore pricing. Great value.

Over-rated: I have to agree about OCDP drums. The  strange and expensive drum company.
If you check OCDP's web site for endorsee's,  it appears that of the 4000 OCDP sets out there, 3999  famous endorsee's got them free, and one guy with alot of money actually paid for his. And boy did he pay!   $$$$$$$
OCDP...Put up a boutique price, give away sets to big name acts, put a BIG high- concept logo on the bass head, and boutique'rs with big money will flock.
Yes, I exaggerate here... but really, handmade by surfers in Orange County?  Wink
I do not hate OCDP, but find them amusing.
( but if they were to GIVE ME a set, I promise to change my opinion)
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« Reply #33 on: September 30, 2005, 02:39 PM »

Underrated: Maryland Drum Company

I have been playing MDC's for about 8 years, I now endorse the product proudly, and I DO NOT get free drums in any way shape or form. They are really sweet sounding drums in every way, and they EASILY rivial custom drum companies that make thier own shells like Noble & Cooley in terms of quality and sound.

Overrated: OCDP, and Spaun. We all know why, $200 worth of raw materials doesn't equal a $2000 drum, I don't care how many giant holes you put in them.
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« Reply #34 on: October 01, 2005, 01:38 PM »

Underrated: Maryland Drum Company
I love my Maryland drums!  Actually, tonight I'm gigging with them for the first time.  Yeah!  Smiley
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« Reply #35 on: October 01, 2005, 02:05 PM »


Underated: TAYE Drums


Agreed!
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« Reply #36 on: October 01, 2005, 05:06 PM »

The only thing I can think of at the moment is that I think Zildjian A series cymbals are over-rated.  It's stretch, I suppose, to say that, but they certainly aren't as good as they used to be.
It's funny, I just heard another guy playing "A's" on an outdoor gig today. He didn't have decent mics and they didn't cut through the mix very well. I thought they sounded good standing right there up close. But move back 30 feet and they didn't do the job. I guess you can't blame the cymbal, only the guys choices of tools to do the job and the guy turning the knobs on the PA. He was playing a set of DW that sounded good up close. But again his choice of mics and PA let them down. Good drummer, too bad he didn't have the right gear to go along with the band. But I felt the "A's" weren't a good choice for this band. Maybe indoors I would have thought differently.   Roll Eyes    
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« Reply #37 on: October 02, 2005, 12:05 AM »

I played some tayes today and the bass drum was in the top 5 bass drums i've ever played in my life! Now the thing with OCDP is are those the LIST prices on the website becuase if you order form guitar center they usually cut the list price in almost half. I mean pork pies snares are listed on the website for like 500-1000 bucks but they usually cost half of that when you buy them at guitar center. Im just curious to see if the price on OCDP's website is what they're charging for them at stores. Just curious, one other thing i dislike about OCDP is they don't really say they use Keller shells they act like they're making it all from scratch at the shop when in reality Spaun, Pork Pie, OCDP and Truth are all the same drums at heart...keller, its really just who can finish a bearing edge best and do the best paint job. For that I'll trust Bill Detamore anyday. The staff at OCDP are a bunch of young dudes while DOM and Bill are vetrans in the game. In my oppinion no one finishes a Keller shell better than B. Detamore. On another note Im still convinced yamaha are the best drums on the market, and blow DW and Pearl out of the water. I played another Maple Absolute with that musahi (spelling?) snare and if i wasn't so in love with pork pie i'd be wanting one of those kits mmmmm. Oh i played the hardcore beater.....very comfertable to play, the sound was a bit dry and getting good hard attack out of it wasn't as easy as with the big dw two way better, for fast movment though the super light weight of the hardcore beater was great. I suggest you guys try them if you got 20 bucks or so to spare.
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« Reply #38 on: October 02, 2005, 06:23 AM »

DW drums are WAY overrated. Premier Signias are WAY underrated. I cant believe the prices used DW drums bring on ebay and the Signia equivilent is nearly passed by in comparison. Its confirmed that drummers are the most gullible folk on earth.
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« Reply #39 on: October 02, 2005, 07:42 AM »

To each his own.  Just for the record, TAYE are not Ayottes  They are designed is theory by the same guy, but the quality in craftmanship is vastly different.  In fact, Ayotte is the Canadian DW while Taye is the Pacific  equivalent.  

If you go to an Ayotte dealer (where kits can be played and are put on display) and do a side by side comparison, you will see a huge difference in the quality of the shell, finish, hardware, everything.  But like I said, to each his own.  I'm older, make good money and appreciate a set of drums as both of means to create and as a piece of craftmanship.  My Ayotte's satisfy my needs and wants in a kit.  Taye don't.  
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