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Hi all.
I took the summer off from working with my teacher and now he can't fit me back in until the spring! This is a terrible thing...
Anyhow, I am looking for a jazz drum teacher in southern New Jersey. I am in Burlington County - if you know of anyone worth checking out, please email me.
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B
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« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2005, 12:30 AM » |
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if you're near the Guitar Center in Cherry Hill, go to the drum dept. and ask for Roderick Hicks. he's toured w/ the O'Jays, and is now on the Philly Sixers House Band at the Wachovia Center. he might be busy since bball season is under way, but the man, just KILLS. |
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« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2005, 09:17 AM » |
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I live pretty close and I know Roderick. Never heard him play, but I know who he is. Looking for a "full time" guy. Someone that is good a enough "teacher" to make a living at it  Many can play but not all can teach in my experience. - B |
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« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2005, 09:27 AM » |
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Maybe you should try a lesson with the guy before dismissing him. A "fulltime guy" may be on the road too much to be a steady teacher anyway.
I agree with wanting a working pro as a teacher. But it looks like this guy is one.
And if you're attaching a stigma to him teaching at GC, take into consideration how hard it is to have a place to teach something as loud as DRUMS. I've always taught in music stores rather than in my own home - they have facilities I could not offer. Even when I was a "fulltime guy."
EDIT: Looking at your post again, I guess I'm not quite sure what you're driving at. Do you ONLY want a guy who teaches fulltime for a living? Or do you only want a fulltime player who squeezes some lessons in between his gigging schedule?
I agree that not all good players are good teachers. But I feel strongly that a teacher should also be a pro player. Otherwise, what they teach may be theoretically sound, but useless in practical applications. I want a teacher who can show me stuff he uses on GIGS.
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« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2005, 05:40 PM » |
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If you are willing to travel a little to Ocean County, there is a guy in Toms River by the name of Neil Garthly and I understand he is a phenomenal teacher. He actually has a drum school called the Academy of Drums and has a staff of instructors. He also has a cable access show called "Drumology" and I have found it to be very good.
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« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2005, 10:21 AM » |
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EDIT: Looking at your post again, I guess I'm not quite sure what you're driving at. Do you ONLY want a guy who teaches fulltime for a living? Or do you only want a fulltime player who squeezes some lessons in between his gigging schedule?
I agree that not all good players are good teachers. But I feel strongly that a teacher should also be a pro player. Otherwise, what they teach may be theoretically sound, but useless in practical applications. I want a teacher who can show me stuff he uses on GIGS.
I want to study with someone who has or has been a pro at some point. I also want to study with someone who know how to teach and has a method. The person that I have been working with was doing this. I don't have time for any more lessons with guys who sit down and show me "beats". I want someone to work on my form, theory, etc. Maybe I just need to keep working on my current guy to fit me back in. - B |
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« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2005, 10:36 AM » |
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I still don't understand your reluctance to check this Roderick guy out.
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« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2005, 10:52 AM » |
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I still don't understand your reluctance to check this Roderick guy out.
Not to dismiss his ability, but I would rather study with a guy who was not self taught. The guy I have been studying with was a full time student with Gary Chaffee and went through his whole program. He also spent time doing serious study with Adam Nussbaum, Ed Uribe, John Riley and Bob Moses. He is has multiple regular gigs and is a full time drum/performance prof. Maybe I am just spoiled, but I have a full time job running my company (small as it is, it still takes a lot of time) and I just don't want to hang out and mess around with a guy... I want someone to work with me in a disciplined way on technique and method that I know is going to work for me. I think I just need to convince him he is not too busy for me... @$%# me for taking the summer off eh? Roderick is a full time employee at the GC in the sales department. I just don't see myself getting what I want from lessons with him, no matter how good a player he is. I have no experience with him, this is just my "gut". |
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« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2005, 11:59 AM » |
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Roderick is a full time employee at the GC in the sales department. I just don't see myself getting what I want from lessons with him, no matter how good a player he is. I have no experience with him, this is just my "gut".
Ask for references. Any teacher should be able to offer a list of current and/or former students who would be glad to speak on the teacher's behalf. If the references check out, take one lesson with him. Form an opinion of his teaching from first-hand experience, not just a "gut" feeling. If the first lesson goes well, give it a few more weeks. You'll know by then whether he can teach or not, and whether you want to continue to study with him (or not). |
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« Reply #9 on: November 22, 2005, 12:47 PM » |
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Well... good news. I just got a message from the drum teacher whom I have been working with and although he can't fit me in right now, has said that as soon as the "holidays" are over he will have time. I had a small fear that he was blowing me off because I did not take any lessons over the summer (and that may be part of it) but after his last message to me I don't think that is the case. Turns out he just brought in a handful of new students and is in the middle of a recording project - he is also subbing for one of the professors at the univ. So... I don't have to wait until spring, but I do have to wait 6 weeks or so. Guess this will be a good time to do some shedding on the Riley book |
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« Reply #10 on: November 28, 2005, 11:05 PM » |
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me thinks your "gut" needs some pepto, but hey, its your lessons.  but i dont see how Roddy would merely teach you beats. and yes, he taught me a proper german grip. why not just call up the University of the Arts, and ask for their music dept. i'm sure you can find plenty of "well schooled" teachers there. http://www.uarts.edu/ug/pa/music/ |
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« Reply #11 on: November 29, 2005, 10:37 AM » |
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I went to a clinic and found my drum teacher. When i was 12 i had a drum teacher who was just a teacher and probably did some giging. He was good. Never hurts to give someone a try. If you dont like them move on. Dont judge a book by its cover, ya know? good luck finding one. I could reccommend a good teacher up north, but that would be pointless if you're coming from the shore. me thinks your "gut" needs some pepto, but hey, its your lessons. but i dont see how Roddy would merely teach you beats. and yes, he taught me a proper german grip. why not just call up the University of the Arts, and ask for their music dept. i'm sure you can find plenty of "well schooled" teachers there. http://www.uarts.edu/ug/pa/music/i tend to agree with joker on this. If the guy is playing for the 6ers house band. He has to be able to read charts etc etc. Thats quite an accomplishment. Something, someone who just plays beat would not be able to accomplish. |
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« Reply #12 on: November 30, 2005, 02:52 PM » |
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blackevil [sp] mentioned that if someone was playing with such-and-such a band, they must know how to read charts, etc.
not necessarily true.
i went to go see al foster play several times, and got to chat with him. i asked if he was available for lessons, and he told me he was the wrong guy to teach, because he couldn't read a note of music and didn't know theory.
i found (and still find) that hard to believe, and it's possible he was blowing me off coz he didn't want a newbie student, but apparently he does not have formal musical training. same deal with dennis chambers, supposedly (another item i find hard to believe). i say it's hard to believe because these guys play at such a high level, with some serious heavyweights. i would loooove to know how they were able to absorb music without a teacher. guess it's just raw effin talent.
would i take a lesson with either of these guys? you betcher booty i would. just being privy to al's performance tales would be an honor!
but i do understand where the original poster was coming from. you want a balance of academic knowledge and performance experience. it can help you progress in a well-rounded way.
it might be tough getting a lesson from someone who couldn't explain theory in detail, or couldn't break down technique in a clear manner.
though i GOTTA believe that al knows the difference between an 8th note and a 32nd!
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« Reply #13 on: November 30, 2005, 03:13 PM » |
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same deal with dennis chambers, supposedly (another item i find hard to believe). I've heard Dennis talk about it. And it's true, he just never took the time to learn. Must have the memory of an elephant. He's played some of the most complex music on the planet. The Scofield, McLaughlin and Evans stuff just to name a few. It's way beyond me how he remembers all the breaks, sig changes and accents. He bad man...  |
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« Reply #14 on: November 30, 2005, 05:54 PM » |
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Do video lessons with Bart. Fantastic.
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« Reply #15 on: December 02, 2005, 08:26 AM » |
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blackevil [sp] mentioned that if someone was playing with such-and-such a band, they must know how to read charts, etc.
not necessarily true.
i went to go see al foster play several times, and got to chat with him. i asked if he was available for lessons, and he told me he was the wrong guy to teach, because he couldn't read a note of music and didn't know theory.
i found (and still find) that hard to believe, and it's possible he was blowing me off coz he didn't want a newbie student, but apparently he does not have formal musical training. same deal with dennis chambers, supposedly (another item i find hard to believe). i say it's hard to believe because these guys play at such a high level, with some serious heavyweights. i would loooove to know how they were able to absorb music without a teacher. guess it's just raw effin talent.
would i take a lesson with either of these guys? you betcher booty i would. just being privy to al's performance tales would be an honor!
but i do understand where the original poster was coming from. you want a balance of academic knowledge and performance experience. it can help you progress in a well-rounded way.
it might be tough getting a lesson from someone who couldn't explain theory in detail, or couldn't break down technique in a clear manner.
though i GOTTA believe that al knows the difference between an 8th note and a 32nd!
oh come on! why do you have to call me blackevil!!!! I would assume in the case of the 6ers charts would be required for such a gig. and taking from my teachers experience on broadway I would also conclude that in this case only it would seem charts would be required. im not evil man! |
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