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Author Topic: Left/Right hihat hand positions  (Read 584 times)
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« on: November 21, 2005, 09:22 PM »

Just wondering how many people play with your right hand crossed above your left hand when playing hihat/snare rythmns.

I was taking a serious look at open-handed technique (left on hihat/ right on snare). I play partial open handed anyway for simple rythmns, and I play a lot of percussion with my left hand )tamborine/cowbell/timbales etc) - but to play more complex rythmns (like I do in my sleep) seemed to require a lot of woodshedding and I didn't want to relearn eveything openhanded so.. I came up with a faster way of achieving the same thing - and I just love it.. basically you just position the hihat close to you small tom (usually up close to the side of the bass drum.. with a bit of positioning your arms it makes it effortless to keep your right stick clear of the left - so you basically float/rebound your left stick way up in the air without getting tangled with your right. plus I find it makes it really easy to hit rimshots, as the stick hits the snare a bit higher on the snare. Apart from being really a blast to play (no crossed handed constraints) it also is much more interesting for the audience to watch you play - as they can see your hands moving- as opposed to crossed down low. .. and its not just for volume or straight whacking the snare - you can float the stick in an arc to control the bounce and sticking etc.  I must admit when I first tried this I whacked my hand a few times but not since..

Having said all that - I still cross my hands depending on what I'm playing - but if you need a lot of volume or ya just want to show off - its a blast and a half.. so what was my question again?? Oh yeah does anyone else do this? Roll Eyes

P.S. sorry for the long winded post but I just had to get this off my chest, wait.. its the cat
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« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2005, 07:09 AM »

Years ago I moved my HH to more of an 11:00 position (as opposed to 9:00 ).  OK, maybe it's really 10:30-ish.  And it's a bit more "in front" of me. But I figured, why not have the instrument I am spending 50%+ of my time playing be in a more accessable position.  It just made sense to me.  This lessened the degree to which my hands are crossed as well.


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« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2005, 09:07 AM »

Yup - that's what I'm talking about , although I push the hihat up closer to the 10.30-11 oclock position.
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« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2005, 09:21 AM »

ah -cool .. Mr Acrolite already has a great thread on this as noted under 'Tangling Up'.. so nevermind Shocked)
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« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2005, 09:42 AM »



This is a BAD ergonomic pic!   Shocked

I'll post a pic tomorrow of my current setup: but basically the kick and the hats have moved closer together.  My legs are very close together in this configuration- it seems to be pretty comfortable.  My foot is at a more ergonomic angle also *like JonE's pic*

With the new positioning *not pictured here* it is easier for me to play "uncrossed" with a RH lead on the hi hat.  I still usually play crossed I suppose.  No big deal I don't think.  I have so many things to work on that this is just another facet which I lump into the "good posture" "playing technique" camp.
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« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2005, 09:20 PM »

Oooooo,

usin' the double hollow point Giant Step i see.  how goes it?
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« Reply #6 on: November 29, 2005, 10:44 AM »

Years ago I moved my HH to more of an 11:00 position (as opposed to 9:00 ).  OK, maybe it's really 10:30-ish.  And it's a bit more "in front" of me. But I figured, why not have the instrument I am spending 50%+ of my time playing be in a more accessable position.  It just made sense to me.  This lessened the degree to which my hands are crossed as well.




This is practically how my setup looks.  I'll take a picture (for the hell of it) later.  But, Jon, i thought i was an outcast for having my double pedal outside of my hi-hat and not inside.  Phew Smiley
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« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2005, 03:27 PM »

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But, Jon, i thought i was an outcast for having my double pedal outside of my hi-hat and not inside.  Phew

That too falls into the "I play HH alot more that Dbl Bass, so why not put it in the best place" logic.
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« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2005, 03:33 PM »

I've never considered moving the kick slave pedal to the outside.  Now I have to try it.  Dang you guys!  Arrrggghhhh!  Smiley

Watch, I'll either cramp up and have a leg like Popeye's arm, or I'll suddenly be able to play with machine-gun speed like that guy with the girl hanging on him in the cheesy Modern Drummer ad!
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« Reply #9 on: November 30, 2005, 12:43 PM »

That too falls into the "I play HH alot more that Dbl Bass, so why not put it in the best place" logic.

This is very true.  I am actually trying to use double pedal alot more.  I have my goals.  Ergonomically it feels better and the placement, just works.
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« Reply #10 on: November 30, 2005, 01:50 PM »

I'm tall and have long arms and legs, so needless to say, MY set up is likely to be much different/more comfortable to some people than others.
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« Reply #11 on: November 30, 2005, 02:25 PM »

That too falls into the "I play HH alot more that Dbl Bass, so why not put it in the best place" logic.

I also have the double pedal on the outside, but I don't go with this logic. The way I see it, since they're different pedals which do different things, there is no one best place for both of them.

Having the hi-hat close the the snare gets it in a good place for playing (to avoid crossing over the hands). Whilst the pedal's a bit too close to the snare drum, it don't play anything too tricky on it, so it suits me fine.

The bass pedal on the other hand, is far enough away to stop my leg interfering with the snare drum, and allow me to play insanely fast double bass (just like the guy in the MD ad).

(Actually, my double bass is rubbish, I'm just dreaming...)

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« Reply #12 on: November 30, 2005, 04:52 PM »

here's my current setup...trying some new things out with ergonomics.  That and i got lazy and never put my kit back together after tuning and rearranging.




old setup (i know the mufflers are lame)

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