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« Reply #20 on: January 21, 2005, 09:09 AM »

new heads might help.  you may also be able to tune the ring out but you may not like the tuning.   Figure that you'll spend between $100 and $140 on 2 new heads (depending upon the actual price from the vendor and the shipping).

I had an awful ring in my tumba (and mine was LP Giovanni model) with the original buffalo head and tried all kinds of tape and such until I just gave up and went with a cow head and not only did it fix the ringing but the sound was the sweetest I could imagine!  It actually vastly improved my playing because I was finally able to play my tumba the way God intended it to be played - with the full range of open tones!

Anway, I would say that it couldn't hurt and even if you decide to switch from your Aspires to something in the higher price range, you can keep the heads and remount them on your next set (provided that you stick with LP or something else so that they fit).  Think of the heads as a separate investment from the shells - makes it easier to swallow the price.  Wink
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« Reply #21 on: January 21, 2005, 09:12 AM »

I know what heads you talk about. I've seen 'em on other entry level congas and in my Aspire bongos, but not in Aspire congas.

It is a very thin material and breaks very easilly, specially if get wet. I think that still buffalo, but from a different body area. Usually the skin from the belly is much thiner.
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« Reply #22 on: January 29, 2005, 09:46 AM »


 The wood on the Asian made drums (Toca, Pearl, LP, Meinl, etc)
is very good. For better hardware or heavier wood you pay more,
but essentially all these drums are "good enough" for most players.

Hi Isaac, good to have you around, welcome.  Smiley

One thing on the Asian wood, though they call it 'Siam Oak' or some such thing, and it is pretty enough and good enough, it comes from a plantation grown rubber tree, which does not grow acorns like a true oak.

The manufacturers try to associate this wood with oak because oak is a traditional wood of the slat construction conga drum, having been first brought to the Islands in rum barrels. Oak is favored by many players for its loud cutting sound.

I would like to get a medium thick mule skin for mounting on my gon bop quinto. Do you have some nice unmounted heads?






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« Reply #23 on: February 02, 2005, 09:11 AM »

Don't judge the skin by its color. As Cali Rivera of JCR says -
"the uglier they are, the better they sound!" The white ones have
been treated in a kind of bleach that makes them clean & light,
and also breaks them in a bit and "drys" the sound, (however this shortens their longevity).
This process can be done to water buffalo, or cow, or mule.
Cow and Mule are a definite upgrade to the stock water buffalo hides,
which are today too thin for the correct tones.
Mule allows for more articulation and distinct tones.
Listen to some of the congas in Colombian or Venezuelan Salsa,
you're likely hearing mule. Prices are comparable to the costs
of commercially available skins. Contact me by emai or
tel. 732-236-8148 (cell).

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« Reply #24 on: February 02, 2005, 09:12 AM »

i checked around and decided to just get the Hanana model with the Calfskin heads.. i was told it was worth the extra $22 dollars.

 if you like them that is all that counts...

my Bongos are in the mail..2 more says!!.. i got 3 Bongo Tutorials at Amazon.com used for about $16 dollars total used.. excelent shape,   i made a little parctace room in the corner of the garage , framed it in.. sound proofed it.  it is about 6x8 feet, shelf for all the rythem stuff., my congas and frame drums.. good lock on the door. i used mostly lumber i scrounged up, but made the outside nice, did the sheet-rock inside and painted it.. i have a tv and VCR and Cd payer to put practace music and tapes on... i have a place to go while "Friends" reruns are on..  i even made a sound damper vent with a Muffen fan.. comfy chair.

now all i have to do is keep the wife out of it or i will be sharing it with the washer and dryer..the vacume, etc etc
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« Reply #25 on: February 04, 2005, 11:53 AM »

maybe I am imagining this...I can't say for sure but, I treated one of my worst sounding buffalo heads with a heavy dose of 100% lanolin and I could almost swear that it sounds a lot better.

I didn't treat it to improve the sound.  I treated it to keep it from getting too dried out while it was just sitting around in my closet as a spare.  But, unexpectedly, I had to re-mount it less than a week later and it didn't sound as bad as I remembered.  It's a lot warmer sounding and the open tones are almost just what I want - not quite but almost.

I'm just saying...
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« Reply #26 on: February 04, 2005, 12:17 PM »

In what consist the Lanolin treatment Huh
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« Reply #27 on: February 04, 2005, 01:58 PM »

something I've started doing with all my heads - even before I mount them but only plan to do it once every 2-3 years (don't want to over-do it).  

I get 100% pure natural lanolin from a health food store.
I put a generous coating on the inside (underside) of the head (off the drum, of course) and let it sit overnight to soak in a bit.
Then, I vigorously and repeatedly wipe off all the excess with a clean rag until the head is not "greasy" feeling - no noticeable lanolin comes off on my fingers.
Then, I either store it (for a spare) or mount it if it's a new head.

The theory is that the curing and forming process (especially the soaking) takes all the natural oils out of the skin so, I'm just putting some back in.

I didn't really invent any of this process - it's something I've gleaned from talking to lots of other, more experienced, players and drum makers.

Now, let me qualify this by saying that I like a warmer sound on my congas and bongos.  If you like a drier sound (like a djembe), I don't think this is the way to go.   Some folks want drier, some like warmer.  So, I'm guessing that a drier skin makes a drier sound.

I stand in full recognition that I could, in fact, be full of beans on all of this.  I'm just reporting what I did and what results I observed.   Wink
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« Reply #28 on: February 05, 2005, 08:30 AM »

Very interesting!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks for the tip!!



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« Reply #29 on: February 07, 2005, 06:47 AM »

Very interesting advise from you, Al. Can you give a more detailed description of the process Huh
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« Reply #30 on: February 07, 2005, 07:37 AM »

Danny - I think I described it as well as I could unless you have some specific questions which I would be happy to answer.

I should point out again that I'm not 100% certain that this is a great idea.  I'm comfortable with it and happy with the results but, the results could vary and I'd hate to have somebody mad with me if they followed this processed and "ruined" their head.   I'd recommend trying it with your spare head first and see if you like it.   One thing about it, it is reversable because an alcohol rub will remove the oils from the head - be sure to wash it thoroughly afterwards.

Ha!  I just gave myself an idea (that I will not be trying) but, I'm thinking: if one wanted to go "drier", you might try the alcohol treatment.   I've been thinking about trying some alchohol as a non-abrasive way to remove excess bee's wax from my heads but I haven't had the courage to experiment with that yet.

Anybody else here use bee's wax on your heads?
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« Reply #31 on: September 05, 2005, 02:31 AM »

I've been playing congas for over ten years with a friend who is a master Afro-Cuban Conguero. We are both frustrated with LP water buffalo skins especially on the Macho Quinto. Typical LP water buffalo skins are too thin and sound like a tin cans when tuned high with rining overtones. I've tried mitigating this problem by placing gel pads on the heads. Although this gell removes some of the overtone ringing with minimal success,  it is far better to have a good thick head on a Maco Quinto.

Over the years I've observed that  experienced congueros playing traditional non microphoned rhumba, often choose a conga with thicker skin, regardless of size, to tune highest as the macho quinto. This just happened at our Sunday Rhumba session when we played Columbia and Guan-Guan-Co.  Available were several wood conga drums size 11" to 12"+ including an expensive LP Giovonni 11"quinto with a thin water buffalo head. The master, along with other proficient percussionists in our group, picked a less expensive 11-3/4" size Matador conga to play as a quinto noting how it had been reskinned with a thicker unlabeled head (can't decipher which species of beast).  The group chose not play this expensive LP Giovonni 11"quinto because of it's thin LP water buffalo head nor did they choose to play two other LP congas with thin heads and I agreed.  

I have observed this distaste of thin LP water buffalo and preferece for thicker skins of better suited beast species, especially on Macho Quinto, amongst many Congueros playing Afro-Cuban.
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« Reply #32 on: September 20, 2005, 06:48 PM »

You mention gel pads, I just changed my LP classics to nuskin heads but had to go back to hide on the tumba.  The ring drove me nuts.  Other two drums a bit too ringy, but am interested in your mention of gel pads.  Do they work typically on synthetics and where do you find the gel pads.  Am assuming you put gel pads on underside of skins, but really know nothing about that.  I know I can really never duplicate the hide sound without using skins, but would like to take some of the ring out of the synthetics that I am trying now Cool.  
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« Reply #33 on: September 21, 2005, 08:49 AM »

MOONGEL damper pads by RTOM

I bought these 4 little purple pads in a small 2" diameter plastic case at Guitar Center for about 7 bucks.

I have only played on rawhide skins so I don't know what they would be like on synthetic.

They clean up with soap and water and stick to drumskins, bells, etc to dampen that ring.  

On Congas I've experimented with them on the top only with one pad by moving it around different areas of the drum.  They can conflict with the players hands especially a smaller quinto.  I suppose if it really worked on a drum well in one spot it could be placed on the bottom and maybe taped to ensure that it stayed there.

I've had very good success placing one inside my Bongo Bell which was wraped up with tape.
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« Reply #34 on: September 21, 2005, 04:52 PM »

Something I have done on the under side of a snare drum batter head is puddle silicone rubber sealant. It hardens into a soft rubber puddle that has a good dampening effect.

Window seal foam stripping also works well. Try a 2 inch piece out a couple inches from the edge on the under side of the head.
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« Reply #35 on: November 03, 2005, 11:40 AM »

For a top sounding Quinto,
I recommend and have a good supply
of mule skins (18") in thick and medium weights.
The medium is already thicker than any
commercial head made of Asian water Bufallo
which is too porous and weak. Mule is long lasting,
strong and a nice feel on your hands.

Everybody who tries mule has good things
to say about it.

for more info:
funkytradition@yahoo.com
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« Reply #36 on: November 03, 2005, 05:33 PM »

... Mule is long lasting,
strong and a nice feel on your hands.

Everybody who tries mule has good things
to say about it.

You know it!  Claro que si!

Entirely different feel than buffalo or rawhide.  Loving these skins.
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