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drummer1202
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« on: November 22, 2005, 06:09 AM »

So my band and I have been writing original songs for about 8 months.  I struggle with finding the signatures sometimes.  Our guitarist usually brings something in and I'll count it out.  Sometimes I can find it quickly, sometimes it takes me a very long time.  Part of the problem may be that I am really the only one with any understanding (and I don't have that much) of note values and time signatures - so riffs are written without any form in mind.

I really don't mind it because we are all new and do this for fun, so I hope I don't sound like I am complaining.  But at the same time maybe there is an easier way to get through the process...

Thank You for any thoughts.
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« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2005, 08:24 AM »

Writing drum parts with guitar players that:

A) Like to write in odd meter
B) Don't even know they are writing in odd meter
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C) Never play an odd-metered song the same way twice

Can be frustrating at best.

I suggest recording what he is playing so you can break it out as needed and scribe it (if you need to).
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« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2005, 08:44 AM »

Always good advice from Jon E.  Yeah, there is really no point unless you are making some notes for yourself- if your band members are clueless then notation is just a drag *c'mon man, just feel it Roll Eyes*

But if they are willing to learn and you can all work together- cool beans.

I have two theories when I write drum parts.
1.)  Writing for the music
2.)  Writing for soloing

When I write for music it's all about groove and a slow building of progressions, following chord changes with cymbal crashes, lifting the music with rides and crash rides if needed, effects cymbals etc.  I like a subtle approach myself and try not to disrupt the flow of the tune.  If it is a more progressive tune then I will add some more elements of my 2nd approach.

When I write for solos I like to really play the patterns well, over and over and I don't write them down unless they sound good *to me*.  This is what makes us all unique as players.  I try to make my solos build and not necessarily full of fireworks and chops- personally I like a subtle approach to my solos as well.  I pretty much stick to what moves me as a player, and it is usually not a terribly complicated pattern.  I just like to keep it smooth. I wish I would have taken this philosophy more as a younger player.  Simple patterns/stickings well executed with clever displacement and a little bit of layering sound GREAT and they can also sound very complicated Cool

Have fun Grin
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« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2005, 09:34 AM »

Thanks for the replies!
Good to know I'm not the only one.

A funny story:

I had lent my metronome to my guitarist.  I got it back last night with the comment,  "I couldn't really play along with it anyway."   How telling...

Funny that I am always being accused of speeding up, when I feel like I am always trying to catch up!

Then in practice my guitarist was telling the bassist to play only the first 2 notes of a phrase while they were trying to work something out.  What my guitarist was trying to get him to play was really 2 measures!  Roll Eyes

Our practices are always good for a few laughs!!!  Cheesy

And Jon E - I took your suggestion about scribing to a recording and had my guitarist send me an mp3.  It worked out much better.  This may be the way that I write from now on!  At least with all the variations in time / rhythm / tempo are consistent on the recording instead of changed every time through when it is being played over and over and over and over and..... Wink
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« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2005, 08:28 AM »

get your mates to get lessons, or tell them about getting tabs from www.mysongbook.com (you need Guitar Pro Tab reader) and if a song has odd measures in it, GP will show you and your mates. As for getting quicker at it, just practice I guess... thats all I did.
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drummer1202
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« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2005, 08:52 AM »

Bass player started lessons a few weeks ago.
Guitarist is still resisting the idea.  Can't force anyone!
Things are definately much better than they were a few months ago when I was considering leaving the band.

I'm still having fun with it so I hope I didn't sound like I was complaining too much.  Just hoping to vent a little to an understanding group!


B) Don't even know they are writing in odd meter


See you guys understand  Wink
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