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moxman

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« Reply #40 on: January 13, 2006, 12:03 PM »

Those are all good points James. I agree with them all.. we do vary the type of count-in; sometimes the guitar strums in the intro, or sometimes just a drum rythmn intro.. but yeah you're right - there's nothing worse than every song starting with the same predictable count-in technique.

Thanks to all posters.. now we've entered another battle of the bands contest (a national one).. and made it to the regionals - so cripes I think we're going to have to practice more than 2 1/2 measely hours a week!


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DWdrmr

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Re:who plays w/ a click?

« Reply #41 on: January 13, 2006, 04:56 PM »

Quote from: Rimshot_Splash on January 07, 2006, 04:17 PM

Just to clarify - I use the metronome for count-ins as a crutch when learning new songs so that I can pinpoint the optimum tempos (as 20 of our songs are originals). Or if its a cover tune that I'm not familiar with.. but after they are burned into memory I try to avoid using the metronome when playing live.. which leads to another question;

Does anyone have any good techniques for quickly calling up meters to count in songs?

What I started this week was tapping the count on my leg..you can barely hear it...certainly not in the audience. I like the key word start idea, also..

- one that I've used is to write down a key phrase from the song on the set list. I read it and quickly recall how the groove sounds..
although if I know the tune inside out I can usually just call the meter out of thin air.

Here's another question:
- Does anyone have any good methods for counting in the band? I'm not happy with my current technique - as my bandmates want me to count in 2 bars for each song - like '1 - 2 - 1-2-3-4' and I find its too long.. especially if you have to say it as I am sure the audience can pick it up over the PA even if I whisper it..

What I started this week was doing the count in on my leg....you can barely hear it, or see it..certainly not in the audience....I like the key word start idea, too.


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who plays w/ a click?

« Reply #42 on: January 13, 2006, 05:36 PM »

Quote from: marker on January 05, 2006, 06:50 PM

My philosophy -

Timing is a means to an end, which is to get into the pocket and groove. If you find that pocket and stay in it, you've got it. It doesn't matter if it is precise to the nano second, just that it grooves.

I agree Marker. When it comes to live performance, without loops or anything sequenced to think about, as long as it feels good and makes you wanna move then its all good! I do however feel that locking in with a click track is a value skill for playing in the studio and for certain live applications.

Greeno.


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LuvmyLeedy

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Re:who plays w/ a click?

« Reply #43 on: January 15, 2006, 07:57 PM »

i can play to a click, if it is required for the music. in the studio it may be necessary because it's got to work with some sequenced parts, or be lined up to picture, where certain musical events have to land at certain points.

as far as playing live i would not like using a click if i am the only one listening to it. it's easy for the other players to pull or push at the tempo and have the group sound not together. i only like using a click if everyone hears it. it would be different if the group was playing along with sequenced parts though. a sequence amounts to a click anyway.

as Mr. A. stated, one must be able to play to a click and have it feel good, as well as play steady time without the use of a click.


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« Reply #44 on: January 15, 2006, 11:02 PM »

Quote from: Rimshot_Splash on January 09, 2006, 08:11 PM

I checked out the Tama RW105 and its very good. The LEDs make it much easier to see the click in low light situations. My ideal metronome (which doesn't exist) has a lights, programmable meters, and also a numeric keypad for punching in the numbers if necessary; it would also have MIDI output so you can synch it with effects boxes..

But as been posted I suppose the best metronome is the one you don't need - your internal clock. I had a high school band conductor ( who came from the military) and he had the equivalent of perfect pitch - but for meter. He could randomly call up any meter out of his head and pretty much nail it.. so maybe there is some technique for 'remembering' exact meters - or maybe the guy was just a freak!

I use the Yamaha Clickstation. It has a backlight, a blinking click light, a numeric keypad to type in tempos and a MIDI in connection.

One of the cool features is a vibration pad to feel the tempos. This especially works for me when our singers are engaging the audience and I can get the tempo for the next song and not have the audience hear the audible click.

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Hurrikane

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Re:who plays w/ a click?

« Reply #45 on: January 17, 2006, 04:08 AM »

My two cents:

Click tracks have become a necessary tool for todayÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s working drummer. That fact can not be ignored, especially if you plan on making a career in music. I personally only use one Ã¢â‚¬Å“liveÃ¢â‚¬Â or during rehearsal when playing slower tempo songs. This is mainly because I tend to drop the tempo more during these types of songs. The rest I try to rely on my own skill and experience to know where I am in the song. This is not to say that I still donÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t speed up or slow down Ã¢â‚¬" but there is a small-line of forgiveness. In my opinion it is what gives music a Ã¢â‚¬Å“soulÃ¢â‚¬Â. However, itÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s identifying whether or not you continuously cross that line?

There is a time and place for everything Ã¢â‚¬" such as the click. The best thing you could do is get one, see if it works for you and at least practice with it. WhatÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s the worst that could happen Ã¢â‚¬" your time becoming more solid? Sounds like a fare trade to me.


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RyNo999

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Re:who plays w/ a click?

« Reply #46 on: January 17, 2006, 05:38 AM »

I can keep time (fills, beats) by listening to a song then i can are click. I don't how it works for me, but i tune in better with a song, i think it's the whole groove thing, either way i rather play to a song then a click. so im glad it turned out that way.


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