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« Reply #20 on: January 01, 2006, 08:51 PM » |
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I think a tutor on this with audio (top bottom heads) for various setups would be worth it weight in gold.
I think it could sell better than Stones book.
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« Reply #21 on: January 02, 2006, 09:01 AM » |
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Hey Ranman, I don't think with me never having a lesson that I am going to start now and I don't think there is any great science to all this. With my early musical training I know what One Three Five sounds like and I know what The Horse Race song sounds like. The stuff that I think you and James Walker are talking about would be cool to experiment with but after listening to what every one said we all seem tune the same two ways. My band does What is and What should Never be. The Vocals brings the song in, ME. Unfortunantly if the first vocal note isn't perfect then the song is all wrong. It helps to have perfect pitch and no book or lesson can teach that. This applies to tuning anything. What would be cool is if they invented a drum tuner like all the guitar players that I know have a guitar tuner. The only thing I see is that like someone said earlier, It would make us all sound the same and I think from playing other peoples drum sets, we all tune a bit different. This has to do with, each drummers ear being a little different. Like tuning higher or lower. This is all a matter of taste. Someone also said earlier that there is no wrong way to do this. I am playing music today at noon and tomorrow I am putting new heads on. That will give me Tuesday & Friday to practice with new heads and get them stretch out for playing again Saturday and Sunday. I am going to tune again to the race horse song. Before my bass player leaves today I will get the floor Tom on the right note. This will give me a good starting point tomorrow. One thing that kills me is how much time it takes to properly tune a set of drums. I am sure I will be atleast a half day tuning. Then I will have to reajust as the new top heads stretch. Nutty
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« Reply #22 on: January 02, 2006, 09:57 AM » |
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I just tune until it sounds good. Usually these days the bottom head is slightly higher than the top head if not the same pitch. I like a bit of moongel in a studio environment. The ambassadors have a narrow tuning range I think so I just tune them till I get "that sound" and what a great sound it is! I takes me a few days to get them to settle in.
Guess what? I'm using clear ambassadors on both top and bottoms and I think they sound way better than aquarian classic clears!!!! (Hell just froze over and the Eagles are back together). I hate to say this, but I'm going thru a remo phase again- especially on tom toms. The clear ambassadors are just the right film thickness it seems for studio stuff. *opinion alert, opinion alert*
I am very very very happy with my studio sound. I'll see if this not just a quick "crush" or if it's "the real thing".
I still have a TC on my snare and the regulator/sk1 combo on the kick.
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« Reply #23 on: January 02, 2006, 11:31 AM » |
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so the "racehorse song" would be..."camptown races,five miles long,doo dah, doo dah" 
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« Reply #24 on: January 02, 2006, 01:05 PM » |
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so the "racehorse song" would be..."camptown races,five miles long,doo dah, doo dah"  It would be the call to post (there's probably a real name for it) - that little bugle ditty that's played as the horsies are paraded out to the thingamajig and locked in the whatchamacallit to start the race. But now that I think of it, the intervals in Camptown would be pretty good, too!
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« Reply #26 on: January 02, 2006, 02:37 PM » |
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It is. a/k/a "First Call"
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« Reply #27 on: January 02, 2006, 08:37 PM » |
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From the second post in this threadTuning to the horse-race song ("First Post" [though Roger says "First Call"; I'll give him precedence over a webpage I saw]) is basically tuning to the harmonic series... 
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« Reply #28 on: January 02, 2006, 10:57 PM » |
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I generally end up with the 'call to post' tuning (when using 4 toms that is).
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« Reply #29 on: January 03, 2006, 06:50 AM » |
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I don't know what the song is called but Dave knows when they play it. Being in Kentucky, with all the horse races. They play it when the horses enter the thingamagig. Nutty
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« Reply #30 on: January 03, 2006, 07:52 AM » |
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I don't know what the song is called but Dave knows when they play it. Being in Kentucky, with all the horse races. They play it when the horses enter the thingamagig. Nutty
I am in Barbourville. If your ever there let me know!
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« Reply #31 on: January 03, 2006, 10:07 AM » |
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I am in Shelbyville Ranman. Most of the Music stores that I use are in Louisville (MOMSMUSIC.COM). Max Maxwell runs the one in Louisville. He was the drummer that was contracted to do the Janis Jopland Play that was going on in Louisville and Cin. Ohio and he recorded some drum tracks for Days of the News last CD. Max and his Dad Marvin have been around here for a long time. His dad played with Lonnie Mac. I think that is how it is spelled. Most of the bands that I have played with were Lexington based and over the past 19 years Louisville based. I am with a 3 man combo called Triggerfish right now. I also jam with two other groups from time to time. I also sit in with my church doing Christian Rock. Anything to stay actively playing. Triggerfish practiced about 4 hours yesterday. We do everything from Led Zep, Satriani,Tom Petty,Hendrix Stevie Ray, Doors, Drivin and Cryin, ZZ Top and as of yesterday we are going to play some Robert Cray too. We have about a 50 song list. I have been with these guys for over 3 years. If you come through Shelbyville let me know. May even let you sit in on a few songs, if it is on a day we are jammin. I will go up front and sing. Take care, Mark T. Counts The Nutty Drummer
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« Reply #32 on: January 03, 2006, 11:06 AM » |
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da da da da da da da da da da da da da da daaaaaa!!!
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« Reply #33 on: January 03, 2006, 11:50 AM » |
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Not sure what to make of this. Must have a song going through his head!
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« Reply #34 on: January 03, 2006, 04:48 PM » |
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What I'm thinking now is, would it make sense to merge the two together? In other words, start with my lowest-pitched tom, with the resonant tuned (for the sake of discussion) about a third higher than the batter. Then, move on to the 14" tom, and tune its batter to the same pitch as the reso on the 15, and tune the 14" reso up a third (or fourth) higher...tune the next tom batter up to the same pitch as the 14" reso - and so on, and so on, and so on. Whether the intervals are thirds, fourths, or something else, isn't the point - it's the matching of the pitch of one tom's resonant head with the pitch of the next tom's batter head.
FWIW, in case anyone is keeping score...I did some experimenting with this idea today, and the initial results didn't really impress me. I think I got better results simply getting each tom to sound its best on its own, versus the results I got trying to coordinate (match) pitches between the reso and batter heads of adjacent toms. I'm still intrigued by the idea, however, so I may do some more experimenting as time allows.
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"Less is more." "Play for the song." "Smaller setups make you more creative." Come on, folks - get past the bumper sticker slogans and THINK. Take some responsibility for your creative choices.
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« Reply #35 on: January 03, 2006, 05:21 PM » |
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Inded, tuning to the harmonic series (or the horse-race song [which is "FIRST POST" or "FIRST CALL"! Scream!  ]) is perhaps best suited to only a few applications as needed, and not as a general rule in some cases. It's a nice thing to try, though. I'm reminded of reading an anecdote where Hal Blaine was in the studio with his row of concert toms, and it was suggested to him that he could probably play a song with all of those drums. Indeed, he did, with a rendition of "I've Got Rhythm".
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« Reply #36 on: January 03, 2006, 06:07 PM » |
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Hi James, At least you tried it. Thanks for the update. NUTTY
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« Reply #37 on: January 03, 2006, 07:19 PM » |
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« Reply #38 on: January 06, 2006, 01:46 PM » |
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I did install the heads last night and I used my bass players low E string to tune the bottom floor tom. I tuned the bottom heads just like I wanted the top to sound and tuned minor 3rds all the way up. I used Aquarian Performance ll's on the toms and a Remo Fiberskyn 3 on the snare. Sounds very nice. Nutty
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« Reply #39 on: January 08, 2006, 12:50 AM » |
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Inded, tuning to the harmonic series (or the horse-race song [which is "FIRST POST" or "FIRST CALL"! Scream!  ]) is perhaps best suited to only a few applications as needed, and not as a general rule in some cases. Just so no one is put off from going down the 'first call' route, I've used it succesfully on many recordings. It's also the harmonies on the song 'At The Hop'. I don't know why but a 4 tom set-up sounds best to my ears at these intervals (your mileage may vary  ). When using two or three toms I might gravitate to different intervals.
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