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« Reply #40 on: February 26, 2006, 11:51 AM » |
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Interesting - it can be a real problem if the band is not in sync i.e., if a band members timing is off here and there. The only way to combat it I've found is:
- practice makes perfect (playing the same d#*! tune over and over!)
- recording your practice and 'forcing' everyone to listen to where they are messing up (much easier than saying "dude- you suck!")
- playing with a click (as a practice exercise with the whole band) - just for a sanity check
- I've also tried a technique where you get everyone in the band to clap in unison with a click. If everyone is bang on then the click disappears (of course!). Its a quick way to find out who is 'metrically challenged'!
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« Reply #41 on: March 02, 2006, 07:11 AM » |
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Before I play for the band, I want to make sure what song will they be playing. I will go through the whole song a few times mentally (Or refer to the book) adding a mental drum track to it. Fill type will also be determined whether a starting fill or a full bar fill. I like to create complicated fills and I am still learning to remember them.
I will usually select different type of beats for part A, Part B, Part C etc...and fills between them whether a full bar, half bar or quarter fills etc...I make sure the fills will be capable for me to play in that tempo setting since a fill for a fast song or slow song will be different.
When I play with the band, I only listen to the tune of the song, nothing else since I already have everything in mind for the songs. I will play the approprate beat for the sections A,B,C etc... And play the fills when I hear that it's time for them.
Everything will usually turn out perfectly as long as the musicians don't suddenly decided to repeat part A twice and miss part C for the first round etc...Then I will get confused.
The most important thing for me is to know the songs well and how to end it well. (All I must plan).
Usually I get told that my beats are too complicated for the track, but I feel it sounds the most approprate for the track.
For example: In the start sequence of a slow passionate song type the musicians will usually run through the whole song first. I as a drummer will only tap the (Partially open) Hi-Hat in quarters opening it on the off beats and then switching to sixteen timing at the beginning.
At the reach of the next portion I will then play syncopated beats on the toms and bass drum. Then when nearing the sub climax, I will add the snare on the downbeat and loosen the hi-hat(Ready for the climax or chorus(The loud part). After a full bar fill I will get to the ride cymbal with the pattern for the climax. I think this sequence is great and used by professionals.
The thing with the musicians is that, they prefer me to get straight to a soft beat at the beginning and forgo the so called complicated patterns at the beginning. Is this a better style?
Anyway the basist has to follow my syncopated bass line and I only listen for the tune to match my pre-planned beats and fills.
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« Reply #42 on: March 03, 2006, 12:59 AM » |
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im the total beat nazi..i have to be or they will run off into the sunset without me.
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« Reply #43 on: March 03, 2006, 07:58 AM » |
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Hi matt428carr,
Somethings I can't relate too but,
I can totally relate to your post. In the state of Kentucky we have The Derby and many horse races. Racing and music don't go together. Only Slow Ride is supposed to be played that way!
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« Reply #44 on: March 03, 2006, 12:26 PM » |
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That's odd - people when seem to run off when I *do* play.
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« Reply #45 on: March 03, 2006, 06:06 PM » |
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I tend to follow the guitar players moreso than bass. Maybe because it's only been maybe the last five or six years that I've played with good bass players. During high school and college I played in bands with beginning bass players or we didn't have a bassist at all. If I'm playing with guys who push or pull too much I'll go Stick Hitler on 'em.
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« Reply #46 on: March 06, 2006, 09:46 AM » |
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I'm playing alot of folk music these days, so i follow the acoustic guitar. He's leading the song, and his instrument cuts so, it's best to follow him.
If i were playing jazz, then i'd probabaly be focused in on the bass player.
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« Reply #47 on: March 07, 2006, 03:41 AM » |
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The problem is that, I always can't seems to hear the Bass player! So I create my own bass line for the track:D
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« Reply #48 on: March 07, 2006, 04:58 AM » |
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Syncopated_Drummer,
I am not sure I really understand but a lot of your bass frequencies can't be heard by the human ear. They can only be felt. Your bass player needs to turn up. The high frequencies are the frequencies that bother your ears. It really would help to get a sound meter and meter the bass about 4 or 5 dbs above your bass drum. Just a suggestion!! Hope this helps?
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« Reply #49 on: March 07, 2006, 07:35 AM » |
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Hi Drumnut1, I am actually playing for a small congregation:D
My bass drum should be heard allright:) I know the bassist is important but if I can't hear him, I should get on my own:P
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