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« Reply #20 on: February 15, 2006, 03:30 PM » |
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BTW all you Mudvayne, Slipknot fans should be a litle more respectful to Kiss. They were doing thier acts 30yrs ago.
Assuming your point is about dissing Kiss for makeup, Al Jolson has Kiss beat by 40 years.  I don't disrespect Kiss, but I do find their music phenominally tedious, and I'm a much bigger fan of both Jolson and Slipknot. |
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I am both a fan off KISS and Slipknot, although I respect KISS much more as musicians. Just because of the way they dress, many people think 'oh thats just a way of attracting attention to themselves' but many people fail to look past the make up and leather platforms. KISS are geniune genius's when it comes to music. All three of their drummers have been spectacular, Gene is a wizard on bass, and I'll simply say 'Ace Frehley' and even the name radiates talent. This is why KISS are much less appreciated as musicians, people LOOKS DONT MATTER
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« Reply #22 on: February 15, 2006, 05:11 PM » |
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This is why KISS are much less appreciated as musicians, people LOOKS DONT MATTER
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KISS is what got me into drumming. I said to myself " I wanna do THAT! " . I guess as of late they aren't as big for a few reasons. One they ome and go....so their farewell tour wasn't really a farewell at all. And with Eric Singer and Tommy Thayer in Ace and Peter makeup i'm sure it turned a few peple off...it did me. I think if they either gave these guys new images,and or went without make-up and made a new cd they would be very popular again. But thats just my view and take on the matter.
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« Reply #24 on: February 15, 2006, 05:43 PM » |
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I wasn't much into KISS untill my best friend (whos fav. band is KISS) told me about the movie detroit rock city. It was pretty cool. I got some cds and now I like em. I knew more than neccesary about them before I liked them.
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« Reply #25 on: February 15, 2006, 06:16 PM » |
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First off, I'd NEVER hug them. (huggees?) Anyways ... their St. Louis debut was at the local FM "underground" rock station's annual Kite-Fly, back in '73. My friends and I didn't care much for them. We really thought they were a joke. I'll be nice and shut up now. |
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« Reply #26 on: February 15, 2006, 10:38 PM » |
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I wasn't much into KISS untill my best friend (whos fav. band is KISS) told me about the movie detroit rock city. It was pretty cool. I got some cds and now I like em. I knew more than neccesary about them before I liked them.
Detroit Rock City is hilarious! that was also my turn on to KISS. I like the original band, I tend to, just because I like the sounds of a band where no one is a "replacement" to someone else, and a group of people that have already done a lot. |
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« Reply #27 on: February 16, 2006, 03:29 AM » |
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I am both a fan off KISS and Slipknot, although I respect KISS much more as musicians. Just because of the way they dress, many people think 'oh thats just a way of attracting attention to themselves' but many people fail to look past the make up and leather platforms. KISS are geniune genius's when it comes to music. All three of their drummers have been spectacular, Gene is a wizard on bass, and I'll simply say 'Ace Frehley' and even the name radiates talent. This is why KISS are much less appreciated as musicians, people LOOKS DONT MATTER
I like KISS and own a few of their albums, but lets try to be realistic here. "Gene a wizard on the bass"?,,,,,,come on now. I like Peter Criss too and he's better than me with some innovative parts in some tunes, but,,,,,he and the band just never seemed to get any better as the years went by. I'm sorry, but I feel the make up and stage shows were there to keep the peoples interest as the music couldnt do it alone. Just my two cents. |
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« Reply #28 on: February 16, 2006, 01:25 PM » |
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I like KISS and own a few of their albums, but lets try to be realistic here. "Gene a wizard on the bass"?,,,,,,come on now. I like Peter Criss too and he's better than me with some innovative parts in some tunes, but,,,,,he and the band just never seemed to get any better as the years went by. I'm sorry, but I feel the make up and stage shows were there to keep the peoples interest as the music couldnt do it alone. Just my two cents.
Lets see...I heard of Gene Simmons and Peter Criss....I would suggest you get some make up dude! |
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« Reply #29 on: February 16, 2006, 07:16 PM » |
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With the Alive thing, It was recorded live and then they used some overdubs. Nothing unusuall most live albums do that.
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« Reply #30 on: February 16, 2006, 07:28 PM » |
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I'd say KISS is the reason I started playing drums. The first album I ever got was Love Gun as a 3 y/o kid in 1978.
If you can separate KISS The Merchandisers from KISS The Band you will find a pretty fine rock band that wrote decent, catchy pop/rock songs. As a drummer, I always found Peter Criss interesting but probably not influential on my playing so much as sparking my desire to do what he did. As a guitarist, I've always enjoyed the interplay and harmony chording between Ace and Paul and I always thought their guitar tones sounded so natural to me. They sound to me now like a great Anglophile rock band. If they didn't have the KISS The Merchandiser side to them I believe they would be considered in the same breath as the NY Dolls as a critic's favorite and seminal influence. I know power poppers like Gin Blossoms, Lemonheads, Redd Kross, Sloan, You Am I and others have acknowledged the direct influence. I think those who would really dig that kind of rock & roll often get sidelined by the makeup and the stage show.
That said, there is just something these days about Gene Simmons that feels so slimey. And it ain't his tongue! It just all seems really phony and motivated more about making $$$ than making good music. I won't slight a band for making money because that's not a bad thing. You won't catch me accusing someone of selling out. But the object of KISS seems less about taking over the world with rock & roll than about padding their pensions. I have a lot of recordings of this past tour and the Paul Stanley schtick is so tired. The playing is haphazard and it just doesn't sound inspired to me. Still, I feel like leaping from the top-bunk with a badminton racket (my pretend guitar as a kid) at the first strains of "Love Her All I Can" from Dressed To Kill.
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« Reply #31 on: February 16, 2006, 10:10 PM » |
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Lets see...I heard of Gene Simmons and Peter Criss....I would suggest you get some make up dude!
Yeah, i've heard of Rupaul too, but what does that have to do with anything? I never once mentioned that I wanted to be known or famous. I just said that KISS will be remembered more for their makeup than their music. Sorry if my opinion differentiates from yours. |
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« Reply #32 on: February 16, 2006, 11:14 PM » |
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I like Peter Criss too and he's better than me with some innovative parts in some tunes,.
Ya I for one believe you where millions wouldn't  Sorry if my opinion differentiates from yours.
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« Reply #33 on: February 17, 2006, 01:15 AM » |
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Its all good. Hey i'm a Beatle freak and we all know the shlogging Ringo takes sometimes. Peace!
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« Reply #34 on: February 17, 2006, 07:15 AM » |
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Couldn't tell you... i have no idea why no ones has heard of them. I wasn't really a big fan of KISS until my dad brought me to a concert of theres a few years ago! WOW! Most amazing stage performance!
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« Reply #35 on: February 17, 2006, 01:26 PM » |
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That said, there is just something these days about Gene Simmons that feels so slimey. And it ain't his tongue! It just all seems really phony and motivated more about making $$$ than making good music. I won't slight a band for making money because that's not a bad thing. You won't catch me accusing someone of selling out. But the object of KISS seems less about taking over the world with rock & roll than about padding their pensions. I have a lot of recordings of this past tour and the Paul Stanley schtick is so tired. The playing is haphazard and it just doesn't sound inspired to me. Still, I feel like leaping from the top-bunk with a badminton racket (my pretend guitar as a kid) at the first strains of "Love Her All I Can" from Dressed To Kill.
That's an interesting take. I can't say I disagree with you on it. Did anyone catch that show Gene did on VH1 where he tried to steal the idea of the movie School of Rock and start a band at a school in England? He seemed more interested in getting face time than actually teaching the kids anything. |
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« Reply #36 on: February 21, 2006, 06:22 PM » |
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KISS "Destroyer" was my first rock album purchase in the mid-70's.  Mine too. I think every note of that record (and just about every other Kiss record pre-1980) is burned into my subconscious. Today, their music is almost painful for me to listen to, but man did that music have a tremendous influence on me as a kid. I was a huge Ace Frehley fan and chose guitar as my first instrument. When I started playing drums in middle school and high school, I think alot of it came naturally because of the subconscious influence of having listened to so much KISS, the Who, et al. |
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« Reply #37 on: February 22, 2006, 11:04 AM » |
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The KISS merch is WAY out there... they even had a car for a while, golf clubs I've seen, wine bottles as well. Dime from Pantera (God rest his soul) was buried in the KISS casket (alongside EVH's yellow guitar).
They do seem to have a real big hardcore following, they don't play small shows it seems.
I'll always regret not seeing them live when I had the chance, their live show seems unbeatable as far as sheer magnitude and frenzy. Besides, they made some tremendous records with makeup and at least some outstanding songs without. Paul was a very cool singer when his voice allowed.
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« Reply #38 on: February 22, 2006, 01:40 PM » |
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The KISS merch is WAY out there... they even had a car for a while, golf clubs I've seen, wine bottles as well. Dime from Pantera (God rest his soul) was buried in the KISS casket (alongside EVH's yellow guitar).
They do seem to have a real big hardcore following, they don't play small shows it seems.
I'll always regret not seeing them live when I had the chance, their live show seems unbeatable as far as sheer magnitude and frenzy. Besides, they made some tremendous records with makeup and at least some outstanding songs without. Paul was a very cool singer when his voice allowed.
Their live show certainly was a lot of fun. I saw them in 77 and in 97. My wife took me to see them in New Orleans in 97 and even she had a blast! Not that she's a stick in th mud, she just doesn't care about music the way we do |
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« Reply #39 on: February 24, 2006, 12:24 AM » |
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Did anyone catch that show Gene did on VH1 where he tried to steal the idea of the movie School of Rock and start a band at a school in England? He seemed more interested in getting face time than actually teaching the kids anything.
Yeah, towards the end of the season the kids seemed to really dislike Gene, which made the show a bummer to watch. If he'd have tried to connect with the kids instead of hamming it up all the time, that show might have been great. |
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