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« Reply #20 on: March 23, 2006, 02:13 AM » |
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I recently started having trouble with breaking sticks. I had never broken a stick before and suddenly I was breaking 1 or 2 per week. They would always break at the same point as well.
I went to a local music store and talked it over with one of the better sales guys there. After examining my technique, he thought that it was likely the angle and force combined. Along with the fact that when playing quickly I rely on force instead of using rimshots. I have tried to utilize rimshots more, and pay more attention to the angle I play at(the angle of the stick, not the cymbals). Haven't broken a stick since...
FYI - I play punk / rock, and use 5a oak sticks.
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« Reply #21 on: March 23, 2006, 08:51 AM » |
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Gosh, I would think rimshots would break sticks faster than hitting the head. Are these just a snapping of the stick? It isn't worn away or scared up with rim or cymbal hits? I would think the head of the drum would break before a stick would, if one pounded the other. Are these good sticks, with the grain running the length of the stick?
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« Reply #22 on: March 24, 2006, 01:17 PM » |
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Gosh, I would think rimshots would break sticks faster than hitting the head. When I played punk there was a constant flurry of slivers coming from every rim shot. But... you don't need to bash in order to get a rim shot. In fact, that's a major flaw in my playing now - my backbeat overwhelms the whole kit and I find it difficult to get any balance between the drums. Punk drumming doesn't teach one much about dynamics. One very notable exception is the drummer for the Dead Kennedys. He showed how Jazz schooled drumming can be applied to hardcore, but I haven't heard anyone else follow in his footsteps.
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« Reply #23 on: March 25, 2006, 05:47 AM » |
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Hit softer and mic your snare.
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« Reply #24 on: March 27, 2006, 11:16 AM » |
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Hit softer and mic your snare. That doesn't work so well if the guitars are so loud the mic' is picking up more of them than the snare. That's the problem with a punk band using walk-in Marshall cabinets in a bar that holds 60 people - unless you really bash the drums, the mic's dont' get a clear signal from them. Every back beat has to be a full on rim shot if the drums are going to have any presence at all. And the other drums have to be pretty much wide open. In such a situation, top quality drums are a waste because even the cheapest drums will give a good sound if you're hitting them as hard as you can. If you've never played in that sort of situation before, the best advice I can give is - DON'T. Unless you really love the abuse.
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« Reply #25 on: March 27, 2006, 11:30 AM » |
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Try Aquarian X-10 graphite sticks. They last for AGES.
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« Reply #26 on: March 27, 2006, 11:38 AM » |
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I tried the graphite sticks and found that, while they didn't break, they went sort of rubbery after a while, almost like playing with a really stiff piece of rope.
That was ages ago, though, so maybe the've improved since then.
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« Reply #27 on: March 27, 2006, 11:49 AM » |
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I tried the graphite sticks and found that, while they didn't break, they went sort of rubbery after a while, almost like playing with a really stiff piece of rope.
That was ages ago, though, so maybe the've improved since then.
That doesn't sound like Aquarians. I've used them for years, and although they do finally wear out, I've never had them turn "rubbery." The tips just eventually break off, in my experience.
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« Reply #28 on: March 27, 2006, 01:34 PM » |
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I liked the the Aquarians, never broke one, but did eventually wear them out. Never noticed and rubbery problems though.
Also, a long time ago I had a pair of Duraline sticks which were white and made out of Kevlar (remember their drum heads??) Those were pretty cool and lasted a long time as well but I do remember them feeling a little rubbery though.
A few years ago I had a couple pair of Mainline drumsticks that I actually liked, they didn't last quite as long as the others but I liked the way they felt. I think they went out of business though.
Last year I bought a pair of Carbosticks which were pretty expensive, at first use I broke the pair in about 15 minutes which really ticked me off.
I wasn't playing anything loud or hard, I was just warming up for a rehearsal with pop band. I should have taken them back but I was about 60 miles from the store at the time and wasn't sure where my receipt was but I'll never buy a pair of them again.
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« Reply #29 on: March 29, 2006, 04:18 AM » |
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Gosh, I would think rimshots would break sticks faster than hitting the head. Are these just a snapping of the stick? It isn't worn away or scared up with rim or cymbal hits? I would think the head of the drum would break before a stick would, if one pounded the other. Are these good sticks, with the grain running the length of the stick?
Alot of people here seem to be partial to Vic Firth sticks... I use Promarks. It really was a technique thing. The sticks would snap about 1/3 of the way from the tip. I believe the problem was the angle I was hitting at. I have changed my angle and am trying to utilize rimshots more in my playing. I haven't broken any sticks lately.. I have a pretty good cymbal technique (I think), I rarely hit the edge of a cymbal. Usually due to not paying attention.
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« Reply #30 on: March 29, 2006, 09:02 AM » |
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The sticks would snap about 1/3 of the way from the tip. That is different. If you start wailing on the rim shots you'll find that the sticks gradually get chewed up and splintered where they hit the rim. I used Promarks because I found they would gradually disintegrate. If I played them long enough they'd be half their diameter at that point and the core would be like a bundle of slivers. I could literally wave the stick in the air and watch it bend back and forth - but it still didn't break in half. That's a whole lot better than having a stick snap cleanly in half when I'm in the middle of a drum fill. The Promarks almost always gave me lots of warning, so as long as I replaced the sticks regularly, I'd almost never break one. Nowadays, I'm focusing on getting good rim shots with the absolute minimum amount of force - and without breaking the lighter sticks. The truth is that they're not really any less cutting then when I was bashing like a crazy person. More "snap", less "bash". That's the way I'm trying to go.
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« Reply #31 on: March 30, 2006, 01:28 AM » |
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It is partly a technique problem, but it also depends on what type of wood the stick is made of, and the size. You cant hold the stick like its a hammer, it got to have some give. and i know from my experiences that thinner sticks and lighter sticks break faster-if you play heavier music. The heavier the music, the thicker the stick should be, then you won't break as many. Also try to buy hickory sticks, those seem to be the most durable, especially for hard hitters.
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« Reply #32 on: April 03, 2006, 11:12 AM » |
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I am having the same problem with breaking sticks...right where the stick meets the snare rim (I hit rimshots often). I use 5A Hickory. Any clues as to the technique adjustment that would be recomended to still "crack" the snare, but save the sticks?
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« Reply #33 on: April 04, 2006, 06:34 AM » |
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jerndogg- this may be your answer. I used Promarks because I found they would gradually disintegrate. If I played them long enough they'd be half their diameter at that point and the core would be like a bundle of slivers. I could literally wave the stick in the air and watch it bend back and forth - but it still didn't break in half.
That's a whole lot better than having a stick snap cleanly in half when I'm in the middle of a drum fill.
The Promarks almost always gave me lots of warning, so as long as I replaced the sticks regularly, I'd almost never break one.
The heavy hitters I know tend to prefer heavier sticks. I've seen Promarks like described above. You may wat to try a 5B or switch to oak. Oak is the strongest wood used for making sticks (I think?) Just make sure you aren't hitting your cymbals on the edge with 'em. And there is always synthetic sticks- I don't know anything about those though.
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« Reply #34 on: April 04, 2006, 07:53 AM » |
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Oak pack a real whollup, but they are SO heavy. They're great for Rock that's slow or mid tempo, but extremely hard hitting. Not so great if you want much speed, though. Unless you're an exceptionally powerful drummer.
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« Reply #35 on: April 05, 2006, 09:56 PM » |
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...My sticks always break on my ride, after being chewed through by the cymbals. My rim shots really don't chew through my sticks, though I probably use much more "shot" than "rim".
I agree. MO, you shouldn't be breaking sticks that much, regardless of what time of drummer. I play everything from soft rock to just shy of death metal, and I'll break a stick about once every 4 to 5 gigs. If you play alot on the ride, check to see how you hit the bell. If you hit it with the tip, it'll break very easy. Try using the shoulder. Also, in my experience, rim shots will not break sticks that easily...and I use 5AN or 5BN, so not that heavy of a stick...
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« Reply #36 on: April 06, 2006, 11:43 AM » |
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thanks 1202-
I have tried oak...but they are HEAVY. I really like the feel of the 5A. Tried 5B, a little too much mass for me...or I just need to practice to get faster.
I'm not ULTRA concerned as play around 8 times a month (band practice/gigs) and that is about how long my sticks seem to last.
Not really into synthetics as I like a wood tip.
I'm going to start backing off on the velocity and see how that works. Thanks for the help!
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